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Oct 20, 2010 12:07 |  #1

i know these don't usually get a lot of comments, but i'm going to keep posting.
some people here have got to love derby as much as the people that pack out these venues! :)

this was the boston b party takin' on our rocstars:

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Oct 20, 2010 13:55 |  #2

Nice shots! Dont see too much roller derby around my area..

Would work on your angles a bit more, too much of the same picture. Hard to tell what kind of action is happening

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Oct 20, 2010 17:21 |  #3

Pbskis14 wrote in post #11132993 (external link)
Nice shots! Dont see too much roller derby around my area..

Would work on your angles a bit more, too much of the same picture. Hard to tell what kind of action is happening

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thanks pete! they are certainly fun to watch and fun to shoot.
i agree, i do need to get lower more often. i'm tall, so shot these over the 'suicide seat' spectators.
i like to change my location a lot, but i agree they are all the same perspective even still.

i forgot my kneepads this bout, they help me step in, kneel and shoot from lower.

but variety is tough because they always skate in the same direction, and I want pictures of their faces.
so there are only so many ways to consistently catch faces, on the same side of the track as you anyway.


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Oct 21, 2010 00:00 |  #4

Capturing the perfect moment that expresses the action is tough in any sport
but probably more so in this flowing constantly changing mass of athletes.
The brights seem a little glaring in all the shots,
extreme contrast in the b/w's.


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Oct 21, 2010 09:28 |  #5

tmcman wrote in post #11136291 (external link)
Capturing the perfect moment that expresses the action is tough in any sport
but probably more so in this flowing constantly changing mass of athletes.
The brights seem a little glaring in all the shots,
extreme contrast in the b/w's.

yeah, the only ones not in "the pack" are the jammers, and you can only have so many pictures of them :)

i like to go a little contrasty with derby, not sure why, probably because their personalities are a little edgier than other athletes.
but i'll see how i like toning that down next bout. thanks for the thoughts!


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Oct 21, 2010 09:35 |  #6

What was the final score? Something like 125 to 28? I have been to a few flat track bouts recently and they are always blowouts. When you look at the national stats, that seems to happen frequently, which makes the sport really boring, in my opinion (http://www.flattrackst​ats.com/index.php?nav=​bouts (external link)).

Having said that, flat track is a great photo op and I like your shots.


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Oct 21, 2010 11:23 |  #7

stax wrote in post #11137968 (external link)
What was the final score? Something like 125 to 28? I have been to a few flat track bouts recently and they are always blowouts. When you look at the national stats, that seems to happen frequently, which makes the sport really boring, in my opinion (http://www.flattrackst​ats.com/index.php?nav=​bouts (external link)).

Having said that, flat track is a great photo op and I like your shots.

haha, blowouts certainly take a lot of the fun out. this one wasn't quite as bad as i've seen, but it was one-sided.

most of this season i've seen really good competition, i think they've tried to match teams up more appropriately around here.
because no one "wins" when a vetran team tramples over a rookie team.

glad you like 'em!


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Oct 21, 2010 11:28 |  #8

bigarchi wrote in post #11138628 (external link)
haha, blowouts certainly take a lot of the fun out. this one wasn't quite as bad as i've seen, but it was one-sided.

most of this season i've seen really good competition, i think they've tried to match teams up more appropriately around here.
because no one "wins" when a vetran team tramples over a rookie team.

glad you like 'em!

I think a close bout would be awesome. Unfortunately, I haven't seen one yet. :lol: I still have fun at the events, however, and I will probably go again.


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Oct 22, 2010 10:14 |  #9

Nice action captures. I know very well how hard it is to shoot rollerderby with the their speed and crummy indoor lighting. FYI, the WFTDA national tournament with the top three teams from each of the 4 regions is the weekend of November 5 in Chicago. You can bet there will be plenty of close games judging from the round of 4 regional playoffs just completed. If you want to go, you can find all the info here: http://www.uproaronthe​lakeshore.com/ (external link)


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Oct 22, 2010 10:55 |  #10

I've recently started stooting my daughters flat track derby team. It is tough, very poor lighting and fast action. I definatly am learning to deal with the lighting better. I'm not allowed to use flash so it's been a strugle. would love a PM with any tips or hints you'd like to offer.


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Oct 22, 2010 11:46 |  #11

bsmotril wrote in post #11144696 (external link)
Nice action captures. I know very well how hard it is to shoot rollerderby with the their speed and crummy indoor lighting. FYI, the WFTDA national tournament with the top three teams from each of the 4 regions is the weekend of November 5 in Chicago. You can bet there will be plenty of close games judging from the round of 4 regional playoffs just completed. If you want to go, you can find all the info here: http://www.uproaronthe​lakeshore.com/ (external link)

oh man, thanks for the info but i'm going to be in chicago 2 weeks too late for this :( that would have been awesome to attend. the better teams certainly are more fun to watch. they are a lot faster and less predictable so harder to shoot in some regards too. i would love to see this level of play!

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I've recently started stooting my daughters flat track derby team. It is tough, very poor lighting and fast action. I definatly am learning to deal with the lighting better. I'm not allowed to use flash so it's been a strugle. would love a PM with any tips or hints you'd like to offer.

no flash at all? wow that makes it tough, especially with the equipment you have in your signature.
how dark of a place is it? have any examples?

there was some advice talked about here: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=938292

and bsmotril had some great advice back here too: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=460238

the place i'm going to watch a bout at this weekend (no press pass yet) is pretty much pitch black, you just can't shoot in there without flash and focusing is brutal. at least the last time i was in there anyway. the ambiance is awesome because of it, but it is DARK. basically the disco ball is the main source of light haha

the venue i shot the photos at in this thread is dark but not nearly as bad. pretty much f/2 iso3200 1/250sec on the majority of the track. my 580 is at canon so i didn't use any flash for these. would have made my life easier if i could have.. especially since the sidelines where bench was is brighter than the track :(


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Oct 22, 2010 12:05 |  #12

bigarchi wrote in post #11145196 (external link)
no flash at all? wow that makes it tough, especially with the equipment you have in your signature.
how dark of a place is it? have any examples?

there was some advice talked about here: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=938292

and bsmotril had some great advice back here too: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=460238

You can see some examples at http://kuanyu.zenfolio​.com/vandalettes (external link) . The coach / rink owner says the flash is to distracting. The team is still in training and won't be competeing till next year. New glass is not a option for my finances right now but I'll read the recomended threads. Thanks!


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Oct 22, 2010 13:50 |  #13

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You can see some examples at http://kuanyu.zenfolio​.com/vandalettes (external link) . The coach / rink owner says the flash is to distracting. The team is still in training and won't be competeing till next year. New glass is not a option for my finances right now but I'll read the recomended threads. Thanks!

oh yeah, that's a fairly dark venue for ya! :)
I'd work on getting close and panning with the skaters and use your IS with stationary subjects..

too bad the coach/rink owner must have had some bad experiences with flashes in the past.


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Oct 23, 2010 18:05 |  #14

When you get into a spot where the light is so poor that AF is near impossible, using the track edge boundary to prefocus will often work. Then trip the shot when they pass that spot. I bet the coach has a speed skating background, where flash is prohibited at meets. However, I've been lucky in that every WFTDA bout I've been to across the country allows flash. IF your team plans on joining the Womens Flat Track Derby Association as a sanctioned league (WFTDA), then at some point they will have to get used to flash photography at their bouts because they will encounter it at every tournament or away game. You can also tell them that if they crank up the house lights to the max, the flash won't be nearly so noticeable by the skaters.


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Oct 24, 2010 13:16 |  #15

Yes the coach has a speed skating background and is new to derby. The girls know flash will be used at meets at don't agree with him that it's a issue for them but 'his rink, his rules' for now at least. They are just starting their work towards WFTDA cert.


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