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Nov 09, 2010 12:00 | #46

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I run a small form factor system (mATX in a Sugo SG02). The tradeoff for the smaller footprint is that I can't take my Q9550 to 4.0 GHz anymore. Luckily though I can still OC my graphics card to great speeds, but I still need to figure out CUDA acceleration.

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Nov 09, 2010 12:37 | #47

Windows 7 with Core 2 Quad Q6600, 6GB and 1.6TB. Still does all my work, from photoshop to Premiere.
I like Windows 7, but I would like to learn Final Cut. I don't like OSx anymore than windows. I would get a Mac Pro but the price is just ridiculous so I'll keep my PC going for as long as possible.

I do work on Mac's a lot of the time though, so I'll happily use both.

To me, both systems are equally stable, equally easy to use and both let me do work in the same amount of time. Windows is just much cheaper, which is why I use it.

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Nov 11, 2010 14:40 | #48

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I think the whole PC vs Mac thing is just a matter of preference and budget. Since I do alot of gaming and have been a heavy PC user for almost 15 years I cant justify buying a Mac. At the same time I like alot of Apples mobile devices over the competition. I currently have an iPhone4, numerous iPods and the new 4th gen touch and Im currently holding out for the gen 2 iPad. I have 2 netbooks that both run windows 7 but I would like to pick up a used macbook in the future but I dont see it as anything more than a toy for me but since a few of my friends use Mac I would like to learn the OS. Its just hard to justify $1000-$2000 for a notebook when all I would use it for is skype and tuning my car.

I just get a whole lot more computer for my money building it myself.

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Nov 15, 2010 07:52 | #49

mac stopped using nvidia graphic cards guys.. so there is no comparison here.

server pc the best platform for photoshop as Adobe supports only Nvidia cards.

I have a Q9400 with 4 giga ram and GTX480

but in april the new socket sadybridge and new Intel cpu's are comming. I am going to upgrade then.

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Nov 15, 2010 08:26 | #50

Atlandis wrote in post #11286785

mac stopped using nvidia graphic cards guys.. so there is no comparison here. server pc the best platform for photoshop as Adobe supports only Nvidia cards.

Can you elaborate on this statement? Photoshop CS5 runs just fine on my iMac with an ATI card.

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Nov 15, 2010 08:42 | #51

Adobe added cuda extensions in adobe cs4-5

That means photoshop effect loadings and especially if you do manipulation, runs 10 times faster than any ati card.

Even if you put 10 ati cards, cant beat 1 NVIDIA with cuda. because cuda extensions allow GPU share the whole process with cpu.

with ati cards only cpu runs the rendering.

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Nov 15, 2010 08:43 | #52

That's Adobe's fault, not Apple's or ATIs. FireStream supports OpenCL just fine. See my post to you in the SL thread.

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Nov 15, 2010 08:50 | #53

here is a link to find out ur self how MUCH faster is cuda vs none cuda graphic cards in cs4 and cs5 photoshop
http://www.tomshardware.com …5-cuda-64-bit,2770-8.html

the graph with time table u see, the lower is better.

It is Apple fault too.. they supported Nvidia while ago! But some how they force you to use ATI only. I use the word "force" because the configurator does not allow you to pick a different graphic card and you have to pay an ATI. anyway.. I choose pc with NVIDIA ..

cs5 is entirely cuda extension program.

Apple is using ATI because of 3d vision with 6 monitor support, photographers doesnt need that, videographers YES. So apple decided to be more pro for videographers.

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Nov 15, 2010 08:51 | #54

Atlandis wrote in post #11287000

Really? Are you sure about that? Here is the list of items that the GPU HELPS with:

http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/405/kb405745.html

GPU features added in Photoshop CS5

Scrubby Zoom. See Zoom continuously in Photoshop CS5 Help.
Heads Up Display (HUD) color picker. See Choose a color while painting in Photoshop CS5 Help.
Color sampling ring. See Choose colors with the Eyedropper tool in Photoshop CS5 Help.
Brush dynamic resize and hardness control. See Resize or change hardness of cursors by dragging in Photoshop CS5 Help.
Bristle Brush tip previews. See Bristle tip shape options in Photoshop CS5 Help.
Rule of thirds crop grid overlay. See Crop images in Photoshop CS5 Help.
Repoussé. See Create 3D repoussé (Photoshop Extended) in Photoshop CS5 Help.
3D overlays. Includes the ground plane, light guides, and bounding boxes for mesh and materials. See 3D panel overview (Photoshop Extended) in Photoshop CS5 Help.

GPU features in Photoshop CS4 and CS5

Zoom enhancements. Smooth display at all zoom levels and temporary zoom. See Zoom continuously and Temporarily zoom an image.
Animated transitions for one-stop zoom. Press Ctrl+Plus Sign (Windows) or Command+Plus Sign to zoom, and the image animates slightly between zoom levels. This can be very subtle.
Flick-panning. Choose Edit > Preferences (Windows) or Photoshop > Preferences (Mac OS). In the General panel, select Enable Flick Panning. Then, select the Hand tool and click-flick the image, like a flick gesture on an iPhone. The image glides smoothly to the new position.
Rotate the canvas. See Use the Rotate View tool in Photoshop CS5 Help.
View nonsquare pixel images. See Adjust pixel aspect ratio in Photoshop CS5 Help.
Pixel grid. A pixel grid appears when zooming in more than 500% on an image. See Hide the pixel grid in Photoshop CS5 Help.
Adobe Color Engine (ACE). Color conversions are faster because the processing is handled by the GPU instead of the CPU.
Draw Brush tip cursors. Choose Edit > Preferences (Windows) or Photoshop > Preferences (Mac OS). In the Cursors panel, choose a Brush Preview color. Then, when you interactively adjust the size or hardness of the Brush tool, the preview color displays the change in real time. See Resize or change hardness of cursors by dragging in Photoshop CS5 Help.
3D Axis. See 3D Axis (Photoshop Extended) in Photoshop CS5 Help.
3D Lights. See 3D Lights settings (Photoshop Extended) in Photoshop CS5 Help.
3D acceleration

Now, how many of THOSE items do you use on a daily basis. Still think it is 10 times faster?

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Nov 15, 2010 08:53 | #55

Atlandis wrote in post #11287041

here is a link to find out ur self how MUCH faster is cuda vs none cuda graphic cards in cs4 and cs5 photoshop

It is Apple fault too.. they supported Nvidia while ago! But some how they force you to use ATI only.

I understand that clearly. But the problem is that Adobe, for whatever reason, has chosen to not leverage OpenCL, which would obviate the need to directly code for either CUDA or FireStream. Under OS X, applications that are written for OpenCL will leverage the gpu for its functions, regardless of whether it is an NVidia (CUDA) or ATI (FireStream) gpu (this is the whole point of OpenCL - hardware independence). Again, Pixelmator smokes Photoshop CS5 in terms of sheer speed. In addition, very few parts of Photoshop CS5 even use the gpu. Most of them are cpu-only; Adobe is stuck in the past when it comes to writing code.

Again, blame Adobe, not ATI or Apple.

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Nov 15, 2010 09:17 | #56

I understand that, well I do manipulation too.. and when Adobe decides to support ATI, I will may think of it, may not.

as Nvidia makes much stronger 1 core gpus than ATI, ATI is cheaper. not to speak about tessellation. the newest ATI 6970 got 1930 shaders and the old GTX480 got 3000.. this are advanced things and off topic for this matter anyways.

and compared with the gtx285 that apple used before? 5770 is nothing. I found very expensive apple now.. even more expensive for what they give you as a hardware.. personal opinion.

in the other hand, mac pro is a server pc with mac os right? is much better to built up your own server pc you pay the half with 200% better hardware but you miss the apple

ps: ATI got 3dvision with 6 monitor support, but Nvidia supports 3 monitors.. I am not going to buy more than 2!! (humor)

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Nov 15, 2010 09:39 | #57

Tony-S wrote in post #11287056

Atlandis wrote in post #11287177

ps: ATI got 3dvision with 6 monitor support, but Nvidia supports 3 monitors.. I am not going to buy more than 2!!

(humor)

Didn't one of the mods already say that this thread is about what type of computer you use and not a Mac vs. PC flame war?

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Nov 15, 2010 09:40 | #58

C2D 6750 Conroe @ 2.66, 4GB of DDR2 @ 800mhz, XFX 8600 GT Stock, Windows 7 Pro.

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Nov 15, 2010 09:46 | #59

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