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Feb 18, 2012 21:25 |  #5041

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After Tony mentioned "old photos", I had to dig into the archives to pull-out one that showed my age.
Just look at the cars that were being driven, while I piloted my tricycle at the age of three. :)

Heh! I don't think I have pics of the old sedan that's the first family car I remember, maybe a '49 but I'm not sure of the year.


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Feb 19, 2012 10:32 as a reply to  @ tonylong's post |  #5042

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Great "old" pics coming into the OLDER thread!

Well done, all. :-)

And @Rog.
Exactly when did all this BC --> BCE malarkey come into being?
Certainly not while I was in school.
Nor while I was at university.
And is it "USA" based/introduced?

Do you know?

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Feb 19, 2012 11:24 |  #5043

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Hey ...... I'm even more handsome nowdays ! :lol:

Cuteness comes with age I was told once...


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Feb 19, 2012 11:58 |  #5044

Simon,

Its the first time I have come across "BCE". Like you, it threw me. It's certainly not known here in the UK.


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Feb 19, 2012 13:38 |  #5045

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Cuteness comes with age I was told once...

Haha, my kids tell me crankiness comes with age :cry:


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Feb 19, 2012 13:47 |  #5046

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Haha, my kids tell me crankiness comes with age :cry:

That's because the youngsters still have to learn live as it is...:mrgreen:


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Feb 19, 2012 14:42 |  #5047

skygod44;13924163And @Rog.
Exactly when did all this BC -->
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=skygod44;13924163And @Rog.
Exactly when did all this BC --> BCE malarkey come into being?

Lowner wrote in post #13924528 (external link)
Its the first time I have come across "BCE". Like you, it threw me. It's certainly not known here in the UK.

First I had heard of this was on this thread, too.

Looking forward to hearing it for the first time in a conversation.


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Feb 19, 2012 15:38 |  #5048

Lowner wrote in post #13924528 (external link)
Simon,

Its the first time I have come across "BCE". Like you, it threw me. It's certainly not known here in the UK.

JAZZ D.P.G. wrote in post #13925174 (external link)
First I had heard of this was on this thread, too.

Looking forward to hearing it for the first time in a conversation.

I wouldn't expect it to come up in day-to-day conversation with folks who are of the same, what you could call "Euro-culture" (not a real word maybe but just descriptive of the historical "roots" of the culture)...

But just consider a conversation with folks of other cultures and histories, gee, even here on POTN. To assume that everyone has the culture and history to understand "AD and BC", well, that's not a rational assumption. And, to try to explain to someone what those terms mean and why they should be universally accepted, as opposed to Roger's explanation of "CE and BCE", well, what would you say it the more rational/reasonable approach?


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Feb 19, 2012 15:42 |  #5049

skygod44 wrote in post #13924163 (external link)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Great "old" pics coming into the OLDER thread!

Well done, all. :-)

And @Rog.
Exactly when did all this BC --> BCE malarkey come into being?
Certainly not while I was in school.
Nor while I was at university.
And is it "USA" based/introduced?

Do you know?

Regards,
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Yes, I know.

The AD/BC notation dates from the Christian monk Dionysius Exiguus in the year 525, who originated our modern dating system. He called the new era "Anni Domini Nostri Jesu Christi" (the Years of our Lord Jesus Christ). This was too much of a mouthful and was shortened quickly to "Anno Domini" (the year of the Lord—not the year of our Lord, as is commonly misquoted).

In 731, Bede introduced this numbering system into England, and also introduced the concept of noting years previous as "years before Christ." Bede wrote in Latin using Roman numerals, which have no zero. So, even though Bede knew of the zero, he chose not to use it, and our dating system has been suitably screwed up ever since.

In 1615, the term "vulgaris aerae" (vulgar era) was used in a book by Johannes Kepler. A 1635 English translation of that book has the term "vulgar era." "Vulgar," in this context, means "not regnal," that is, not according to the legal dates of the realm, which were dated from the beginning of the king’s reign.

In 1584, the term "aerae christianae" (Christian era) was used in a theological text. In 1649, that same Latin term was used on the title page of an English almanac. A 1652 ephemeris was the first known use of the term "Christian era" in English.

The term "common era" appears as least as early as 1708. The term "before the common era" was first used in 1770. The 1797 edition of the Encylopædia Britannica uses both the terms "vulgar era" and "common era." The 1909 Catholic Encyclopedia goes one further, using the terms "Christian era," "vulgar era," and "common era" interchangeably. "Vulgar," in this use, is a synonym for "common."

In the mid-nineteen century, many Jewish scholars, including the great Rabbi Morris Raphall, began using CE/BCE notation in lieu of AD/BC notation. In many ways, this was a passive backlash to the rampant anti-Semitism prevalent in England at the time. The VE/BVE notation was also common among Jewish scholars of the time.

Several scholars and others in the fields of theology, education, and history have adopted CD/BCE notation. For example, the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, the leading publishing body of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, has been using CE/BCE notation exclusively since 1964.

Major museum and like institutions, such as the Smithsonian Institution, have begun recommending or requiring the use of CE/BCE notation.

Several style guides and grammars now prefer or mandate the use of CE/BCE notation, including the American Standard English, the official formal grammar of the United States government.

In the U.S., the usage of CE/BCE notation in textbooks and other publications is growing. The World Almanac has used it exclusively since 2007, ending 138 years of AD/BC usage. Similarly the College Board uses CE/BCE notation on its history tests, and the Norton Anthology of English Literature uses CE/BCE notation exclusively.

Outside the U.S., the CE/BCE notation system was introduced in the U.K. school curriculum in 2002. The BBC announced in 2011 that it would be using CE/BCE notation on its programs and website. Many British universities, museums, historians, and book publishers are now using CE/BCE notation exclusively or alongside AD/BC notation.

In 2011, the Australian government announced its intention to replace AD/BC notation with CE/BCE notation in its textbooks.

So yes, as you can see, it’s a Johnny-come-lately "politically correct" thing peculiar to the U.S.

Besides, the CE/BCE system is at least intuitively correct. In the AD/BC system, the "AD" correctly goes before the date and the "BC" after the date. I’ll bet most of you didn’t know that!

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Feb 19, 2012 15:51 |  #5050

L.J.G. wrote in post #13924895 (external link)
Haha, my kids tell me crankiness comes with age :cry:

This is true. When's the last time you heard someone referred to as a "young curmudgeon."

In fact, "old curmudgeon" is rather redundant.




  
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Feb 19, 2012 16:45 |  #5051

20droger wrote in post #13925456 (external link)
In the AD/BC system, the "AD" correctly goes before the date and the "BC" after the date. I’ll bet most of you didn’t know that!

Happy now?

I did know that! :D

I think I'll stick with AD/BC, if for no other reason than to annoy the JoHo's. :lol: I love a good squabble and they come to the door looking for one. :D


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Feb 19, 2012 16:46 |  #5052

20droger wrote in post #13925506 (external link)
This is true. When's the last time you heard someone referred to as a "young curmudgeon."

In fact, "old curmudgeon" is rather redundant.

I know a few "young curmudgeons" but they are typically called something else...


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Feb 19, 2012 17:12 as a reply to  @ Jill-of-all-Trades's post |  #5053

Finally a thread I might fit into without feeling like I'm out of my depth, I turn 1/2 a century old in 2 months.




  
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Feb 19, 2012 21:36 |  #5054

StinkyBunny wrote in post #13925876 (external link)
Finally a thread I might fit into without feeling like I'm out of my depth, I turn 1/2 a century old in 2 months.

Ah, still a "youngster", but welcome:)!


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Feb 19, 2012 21:44 |  #5055

All this AD/BC is getting confusing.

I'll just stick to AC/DC :)


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