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@ skygod44

Sorry to hear that. My prayer to his family.


@ QueenChatty

I'm sorry to hear about your brother. I just went to an event that went over schizophrenia. Part of it was we had to wear headsets and it played what schizophrenics hear. The CD's were made by the schizophrenic patients. We then had to do tasks like talking to people, making list and what not, these are known as ADL's (Activities of Daily Living). It was an eye opening experience. I now have an entirely different point of view for this disease. (The old walk a mile in there shoes adage)


@ Chet

That is great you are doing better. You could help a lot of people. You have a perspective other just don't have.


@ Spiral Photo

You can be here but you have to pay a fine. skygod44 is in charge of that

@ Ricardo222

That was a close one. Maybe a little to close.

IQ Zero wrote in post #15439875
@ Spiral Photo

You can be here but you have to pay a fine. skygod44 is in charge of that

haha well.... I can pay in posts of lovely information and smartalec quips. Hope that works.

Spiral Photo wrote in post #15439887
haha well.... I can pay in posts of lovely information and smartalec quips. Hope that works.

Just wear a fake mustache, suspenders and pass gas a lot, you;ll fit right in.

I gotta wear a fake over my real one? Man, that's gonna be uncomfortable.

In fact, I think I got all that but the suspenders.

IQ Zero wrote in post #15439875
@ Chet

That is great you are doing better. You could help a lot of people. You have a perspective other just don't have.

I'm not sure how much I really could help. Depression is a very strong illness, not much of what people would say at the time meant anything. In my multiple attempts, I never even thought to leave a note.

All I can do is share my feelings, and my vivid recollection of the experiences. I was never treated for depression, time just straightened me out.

So sad. I agree with everybody, suicide is such a waste and just so uneccessary. Simon, you are just so right nothing is that bad that you need to take your life.

My eldest son's best friends father tried to do himself in one day. Dave came running in panicking because his mate's father's car was idling in the garage with a hosepipe stuck in the window. We tore around there and I just smashed the back glass sliding door in and then tried to get him out of the car, he was laying across the seats, but the doors were locked with one window down just enough to get the hose in. An bottle of empty pills was also laying there with some strewn on the floor, plus an empty wine bottle.

You know how they show on TV people smashing the side windows of cars with there hands etc? Well, let me tell you that is bullshat. Every tried breaking the side window of a Subaru? It took me quite a few goes and in the end I hung onto the bottom of his petrol whipper snipper and swung the motor end at it. It still took 3 or 4 good hits to smash the window.

We got him out and gave him CPR, he was alive thank God. Once he was gone in the ambulance we had to get my son's mate from another mates place and tell him what had happened. He stayed with us for a few days and let me tell you he was angry and confused at what his father had tried to do, it was not a good time! We later leant that he was suffering and being treated for severe depression for a couple of years since his wife died. He balmed himself for her death, even though it was a medical condition that caused it. We used to see him regularly and did not know about the depression. Less than a year later his son (my son's mate) was killed when he was run over. We watched him like a hawk after that! He has picked himself up and got on with life, so even though there was so much sadness it has turned out OK.

I don't know what things you guys overseas have in place but over here we call male depression "The Black Dog", there is an institute of that name that fights depression, plus the Black Dog Project and also every year there is a huge bike rally called "The Black Dog Ride". Last year they rode out to the Red Centre. They all get together in various places and all meet out there. It is a terrific thing.

The biggest issue I can see is the fact most simply don't know they have it and neither do those close to them.

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@ QueenChatty
I'm sorry to hear about your brother. I just went to an event that went over schizophrenia. Part of it was we had to wear headsets and it played what schizophrenics hear. The CD's were made by the schizophrenic patients. We then had to do tasks like talking to people, making list and what not, these are known as ADL's (Activities of Daily Living). It was an eye opening experience. I now have an entirely different point of view for this disease. (The old walk a mile in there shoes adage)

That is awesome that they have that for people to see part of what the illness does to people. My brother used to say he hated how the drugs took away his thoughts, that is the problem right there when he was on his meds he would say to me see I'm not nuts I don't need the pills. I couldn't make him understand that it was the pills that keep him from the voices. He wasn't on meds when he was a child and they never diagnosed him till he was in his late 40's after his son was murdered. With schizophrenics they often have really bad episodes when they are faced with trauma. I know the last time I saw him it was horrible he was picking cigarette butts off the street and he had lost so much weight that he looked like a walking corpse. I tried to convince him that we should go to the hospital but he just insisted he was fine. So very sad that this is the way the end of his life will be. He is only 55.

LLoyd
We only have a small dept. at our hospital and they are always full. when my brother lost his apartment due to losing his disability he just kept going there and slept in the lobby on the couch until the residents called the cops. They brought him to jail and the Judge ordered a 30 day assessment to be done at the hospital because it was apparent that his mental state was messed up. So they kept in in jail waiting for a bed at the hospital but they have rules about how long they can hold a person in custody and so they just released him to the street. That happened twice then they got him in the hospital last winter because someone reported a man on a park bench with no shoes or coat. They took him to the hospital for medical care for frost bite and the doctor understood that he should not be walking around in his state and detained him on a 72 psychiatric hold but had no choice but to let him go when that was up. That is just some of the crap I was trying to deal with for a few yrs.

Hey Lloyd I know all about windows on cars. There was a show on one night But I can't recall the name of it and they just showed how hard it is to bust the glass. It was amazing the amount of times the had to do it to get it to break.
I am sure glad that man got his life turned around. Nice to hear that sometimes people can be saved from their demons.

QueenChatty wrote in post #15440139
Hey Lloyd I know all about windows on cars. There was a show on one night But I can't recall the name of it and they just showed how hard it is to bust the glass. It was amazing the amount of times the had to do it to get it to break.
I am sure glad that man got his life turned around. Nice to hear that sometimes people can be saved from their demons.

I think windows have a sweet spot, just not sure where that is.

Chet wrote in post #15440012
I'm not sure how much I really could help. Depression is a very strong illness, not much of what people would say at the time meant anything. In my multiple attempts, I never even thought to leave a note.

All I can do is share my feelings, and my vivid recollection of the experiences. I was never treated for depression, time just straightened me out.

Yes it is really hard to tell a person in the thick of depression that things will get better. Like I said when people are in the state of mind they are not thinking about what it will do to their loved ones so your not thinking about leaving a note is not surprising.
It is great to hear that things turned around for you.
My daughter suffers from panic attacks and it took me years to get her to go see the doctor. She is now on medication and is glad that she is so that she can function better.

QueenChatty wrote in post #15440163
Yes it is really hard to tell a person in the thick of depression that things will get better. Like I said when people are in the state of mind they are not thinking about what it will do to their loved ones so your not thinking about leaving a note is not surprising.
It is great to hear that things turned around for you.
My daughter suffers from panic attacks and it took me years to get her to go see the doctor. She is now on medication and is glad that she is so that she can function better.

I feel bad for people who are also drug and alcohol addicts. I know people on anxiety and depression medication that drink heavily daily. These medications really aren't made to be mixed that way. Seems to amplify the mood sometimes.

Not sure there is a cure all yet for the many disorders out there including depression. Just the commercials for some of the medication scare me.

Chet wrote in post #15440156
I think windows have a sweet spot, just not sure where that is.

Well from what I hear is that the corners are the best place to do it...supposedly you take a screw driver and pry it in the corners and the window will break.

QueenChatty wrote in post #15440196
Well from what I hear is that the corners are the best place to do it...supposedly you take a screw driver and pry it in the corners and the window will break.

They seem to break so easy when a small stone is thrown up from a truck in front of you.

Chet wrote in post #15440184
Just the commercials for some of the medication scare me.

What scares me is all those medicated people out on our roads driving next to us or coming towards us!!

QC, I hope I never have to prove your corner theory correct! Once was enough for me I'm afraid.