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Dec 14, 2010 12:57 |  #91

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Back to this, here was what Bresson has to say about his approach.

" "Manufactured' or staged photography does not concern me. And if I make a judgment, it can only be on a psychological or sociological level. There are those who take photographs arranged beforehand and those who go out to discover the image and seize it. For me, the camera is a sketch book, an instrument of intuition and spontaneity, the master of the instant which - in visual terms - questions and decides simultaneously. In order to "give a meaning" to the world, one has to feel oneself involved in what he frames through the viewfinder. This attitude requires concentration, a discipline of mind, sensitivity, and a sense of geometry. It is by great economy of means that one arrives at simplicity of expression. One must always take photos with the greatest respect for the subject and for oneself." - Henri Cartier-Bresson

I love his work and I totally think that there's a place for the photojournalistic style that he has portrayed with such excellence.

My point in posting the other link was because not too many people do the true PJ style. There could be a whole post or more on learning to "see creatively" instead of snapshot photography, just about shooting photojournalistically.

Right now the trend seems to be setting up a shot, but making it look PJ. And there's the "I don't know how to see creatively" set. Since we have all skill levels here.

I truly believe that a creative photographer will out-strip the rules every time. But in my years of working with other photographers, I've seen that many people have a hard time seeing "outside the box" and being creative with their photography. Creativity does set a photographer apart from the masses of "man with a camera". Sometimes visual aides will get them on a "creative thinking" spree. Sometimes not.

Am I saying that the best photographers follow the rules all the time? Nope. I saw this photograph (here on potn) yesterday. It was of a woman laying down. That's it. Converted to B&W. Hand cut off. That's what the photo technically was and if a person wanted to be critical, that's all they would see...rules. But artistically, the light was beautiful, the mood was seductive. It was an arresting shot. Technically the hand should not have been cut off, true. But the shot was truly beautiful and excellent handling of the light and model far outstripped the hand, to the point that it wasn't noticeable in the scope of things.

I am also not saying that people can ignore the rules and be masters. Sometimes people see things and don't know how to accomplish it. I can't tell you how many "candid street shots" I see after a conversation on Bresson. But just because a shot is a "candid street shot" does not make it Bresson quality. It's learning how to see...Bresson (as you so aptly quoted) was involved with his shots. He set them up in his mind as he shot them. Too many people think that sitting at a cafe table and snapping photos while the camera is sitting on the table, or surreptitiously taking a snap, is that same sort of work. And very RARELY is that the case. Mostly it is just a snapshot that may or may not have some interest. The important thing is learning that it's not the same quality. And why it's not. And how to move from random snapping to master photographer.

Back to the "setting up". For most, imo, it's less "staging" than it is, learning to see creatively. Which is something we can learn about, by being open and looking at what we see, why we like it and how we can accomplish it. So I find it liberating to not feel that I have to catch everything PJ, just as I find it liberating to not have to stage everything. There's a place for it all, in this art of ours.

FWIW, I think that SMWYG is just a small part of the "process" in growing as a photog. Though I've never entered this contest, I've learned a lot through the last 4 years. It's been very enlightening. Just in judging/viewing everyone's shots, it's taught me to see beyond my box. And make no mistake, we all have boxes. No matter how "liberal" our thinking is, we've made ourselves boxes and thinking, as well as seeing, beyond them is very difficult. Getting past our own egos/feelings/opinions​, can be very difficult. But I can see, as people open up and are willing to see things from another perspective, magnitudes of growth/changes happen in their work. The difference in 4 years is astonishing, for nearly everyone who's participated that long.


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Dec 14, 2010 14:42 as a reply to  @ Permagrin's post |  #92

Like I said in a previous post #73

"There are many ways to see great photographs. There are many great photographer like Bresson, Davidson, Winogrand, Franks, and many other street photographers that learned to see the moment and others that set everything up like the one Lisa showed and everything in between. Joel-Peter Witkin is another that likes to set up everything. Theres also previsualist (west coast school-zonesystem) and post visualists (east coast school-mostly street). Its all good. Find something that works for you...."

You'll never know whats best for you unless you try many different avenues. I tend to be a bit of both, maybe more to the set up side when working and more toward the moment and found image side when doing personal work.




  
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Dec 15, 2010 20:07 as a reply to  @ post 11438871 |  #93

Congrats to the NOV SMWYG winners!

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Dec 17, 2010 19:02 |  #94

Hey, check out the email I got today. I submitted my Havana Sunset photo. :) Make sure to buy the February 2011 edition of Popular Photography. Not sure if I got First, Second or Third.

Hi Geno,

CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR WIN

In order to process payment for POP Photo February 2011 , ‘Your Best Shot’, please fill out the attached W9 or W8BEN (whichever applies) and return to my attention:


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Dec 17, 2010 19:03 as a reply to  @ -g-'s post |  #95

SWEET! Geno that's awesome!


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Dec 17, 2010 19:09 |  #96

WTG Geno, fantastic news,....cheers!




  
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Dec 17, 2010 20:27 as a reply to  @ Barb W's post |  #97

Awesome Geno! I'll be looking for that when the mag comes in the mail!


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Dec 17, 2010 22:34 |  #98

Thanks guys! My subscription runs out this month, I better call and renew! :)


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Dec 17, 2010 22:55 |  #99

Wow....Very cool Geno, Congratulations....Pop Photo is a pretty big deal ....That's fantastic.


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Dec 17, 2010 23:23 |  #100

Congrats Geno!


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Dec 18, 2010 01:24 |  #101

WTG Geno!

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Dec 18, 2010 05:25 |  #102

Nice one Geno, along the same lines the UK SE POTN members area here entered the monthly theme competition in one of our national magazines DSLR User, out of the three shots that were entered for landscape/architecture theme by all the clubs ours were selected winners............min​e was the "Dovecote"............​..all the shots were presented on a mahoosive projector system at Canon Uk Headquaters at the grand prize evening.

We were awarded £1000 in Canon Image Vouchers for the win.............which is great for someone that now shoots with a Nikon.............lol

You guys probably dont get the magazine over there, but the shots will be featured next month in print..............http://www.dslruser.co​.uk …ayout=blog&id=5​&Itemid=79 (external link)


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Dec 18, 2010 08:49 as a reply to  @ vmlopes's post |  #103

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Wow....Very cool Geno, Congratulations....Pop Photo is a pretty big deal ....That's fantastic.

It's not Time, Life or National Geographic but it's cool when it's the only mag I subscribe to. :)


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NWe were awarded £1000 in Canon Image Vouchers for the win.............which is great for someone that now shoots with a Nikon...........

Congratulations, Victor! Maybe it's time to switch back to the good side. :)

DSLR user is available over here, it's super expensive though, I only buy it once in a while but I really get inspired by it when I do.


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Dec 18, 2010 15:24 |  #105

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It's not Time, Life or National Geographic but it's cool when it's the only mag I subscribe to. :)

Me too, if you don't count Nickelodeon Magazine;)


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