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White Balance, Auto vs. Custom

 
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Oct 31, 2010 14:22 |  #1

I've been shooting with the T2i for about 5 months now and have been satisfied overall with the auto white balance setting. Yesterday I went outside to try out a manual focus Tokina 35-105mm SD on the Canon. My wife's flowers are a favorite target. The color green didn't look quite right, appearing somewhat flat with a slight tinge of blue. I took a pix of my WhiBal calibrated reference card and used it as a custom setting in the camera. The results were obvious and much closer to the actual colors. There was full sun around 4:30PM EST when the photos were taken.
The grey photo is the reference used to set the T2i. The dark spot in the middle (card out of focus) is an "X" target imprinted on the card.

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Oct 31, 2010 16:35 |  #2

I don't have a whole lot of experience, but I seem to get poor auto white balance under direct sunlight. I haven't considered using a WB card, although it would probably be a cheap yet effective investment. Instead, I've been shooting in RAW and trying to adjust manually.


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Oct 31, 2010 18:34 |  #3

I use either Auto indoors and Shade outdoors.. Then if any additional work is needed I do it in LR.
Most of my work is HS Sports and the lighting in most gyms is not only terrible but the whit balance can be different from one end of the gym to the other. It all depends on the bulbs used which is based on the best deal they get when they need to buy replacements (green cast to the right, yellow cast to the left)


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Oct 31, 2010 18:36 |  #4

I shoot RAW 90% of the time, so it's almost always AWB and edited in LR. If I'm shooting JPG for sports, its set depending on the sky conditions; and even then I tweak it.


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Oct 31, 2010 20:20 |  #5

A grey card is always nice to keep in your pocket, if the wether don't change it'll last the day.


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Oct 31, 2010 21:41 |  #6

i normally use AWB and edit later if needed.


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Oct 31, 2010 21:47 |  #7

WB cards are great especially indoors. Shooting in RAW just means you can get THAT much closer to perfection...

AWB I find is fine outdoors (or just set it to daylight/cloudy)


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Oct 31, 2010 22:08 |  #8

I don’t know how it works in 550D. I tried it once at my 500D, it is done though the file. You would have to shoot, then read this as white balance…I never used it after. RAW editing in Canon software takes care of it. Switch WB to the temperature mode and adjust to natural colors.


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Oct 31, 2010 23:14 |  #9

I just AWB and adjust later.


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Oct 31, 2010 23:59 |  #10

The Custom WB is actually off...

this is your photo (with custom WB)

IMAGE NOT FOUND
Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE



This is correctly WB
IMAGE NOT FOUND
Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE

I use this during games/plays/concerts
Where all the images count and I dont want to BW 250 photos

http://www.expoimaging​.com …at_id=1&keyword​s=ExpoDisc (external link)

but when it comes to portraits i BW all of them in post.

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Nov 01, 2010 01:38 |  #11

roosterslayer wrote in post #11201426 (external link)
i normally use AWB and edit later if needed.

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Nov 01, 2010 17:36 |  #12

Howard Ting wrote in post #11202101 (external link)
The Custom WB is actually off...

this is your photo (with custom WB)
IMAGE NOT FOUND
| Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE



This is correctly WB
IMAGE NOT FOUND
| Byte size: ZERO | Content warning: NOT AN IMAGE

I use this during games/plays/concerts
Where all the images count and I dont want to BW 250 photos

http://www.expoimaging​.com …at_id=1&keyword​s=ExpoDisc (external link)

but when it comes to portraits i BW all of them in post.


The custom white balance is spot on in the 1st photo. It was taken in the late afternoon when the sunlight was low in the horizon thereby giving the image that "Kodachrome" effect (warm) vs. Ektachrome (cold). The 2nd photo has the flower petals appear as primarily red when they are in fact a orange - red combination.
Correct white balance enables the camera to produce an image that is true to the original colors. Believe me - the colors are accurate in the 1st photo - I compared the image on the LCD to the actual scene. You may not like the colors produced but they are accurate and, of course, can be changed in the software processing.




  
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Nov 01, 2010 20:38 |  #13

J Bruja wrote in post #11206659 (external link)
The custom white balance is spot on in the 1st photo. It was taken in the late afternoon when the sunlight was low in the horizon thereby giving the image that "Kodachrome" effect (warm) vs. Ektachrome (cold). The 2nd photo has the flower petals appear as primarily red when they are in fact a orange - red combination.
Correct white balance enables the camera to produce an image that is true to the original colors. Believe me - the colors are accurate in the 1st photo - I compared the image on the LCD to the actual scene. You may not like the colors produced but they are accurate and, of course, can be changed in the software processing.

by that logic isn't everything correctly white balanced?


Ergo, If I shot a white piece of paper under candle light, it is said to be correctly white balance because what I shot (in the LCD) is exactly what I see (in the scene).

I don't use WB to give Kodachrome or Ektachrome effects. I use it so the whites look white in my picture...


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Nov 02, 2010 17:36 |  #14

Howard Ting wrote in post #11207733 (external link)
by that logic isn't everything correctly white balanced?


Ergo, If I shot a white piece of paper under candle light, it is said to be correctly white balance because what I shot (in the LCD) is exactly what I see (in the scene).

I don't use WB to give Kodachrome or Ektachrome effects. I use it so the whites look white in my picture...


A white piece of paper is a poor choice to use as an example as a bluing chemical is added to make it whiter to the eye. Before I say anything else you might want to take a few minutes and watch the tutorials from the Rawworkflow website. Believe me this guy knows what he is talking about.
His is a long history in the digital raw workflow field having worked with a Danish company that has such a good raw processing engine that Adobe bought them out and used their expertise in the development of the Lightroom software.

http://www.whibalhost.​com/_Tutorials/WhiBal/​01/ (external link)




  
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Nov 02, 2010 17:44 as a reply to  @ J Bruja's post |  #15

I have a grey card that I use - but mostly shoot Raw and alter the colour temps once in your favorite editing program..


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