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Dave Ziser Lighting System, is there a comparable but cheaper way?

 
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Nov 04, 2010 22:04 |  #1

I recently went the Dave Ziser's seminar "Captured by the Light." I love his lighting system, but the price is :shock:. Any ideas on something comparable, but cheaper? Here is his system: http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …avid_Ziser_Make​_Your.html (external link)


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Nov 04, 2010 22:19 |  #2

Depending on if you want the high speed recycle of the quantum turbo pack you could just get any cheaper manual flash like a vivitar 285 and a set of pocket wizards or cheaper ebay triggers and any number of diffusers.

Sto-Fin $9.15 http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …695-REG/Sto_Fen_OM_B.html (external link)
Vivitar 285 $89.95 http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …1-REG/Vivitar_233965.htm​l (external link)
2x Pocket Wizards $340 http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …II_Transceiver_​Radio.html (external link)
Total =$439.10

or

Elinchrom Ranger Quadra S which has more than twice the output $1494.90 http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …Ranger_Quadra_H​ead_S.html (external link)

Don't get me wrong the Quantum makes really nice flashes but at that price and with the release of the Ranger Quadra which doesn't weigh much more.


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Nov 04, 2010 23:24 |  #3

Thanks for suggestions!!


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Nov 05, 2010 01:15 |  #4

The QFlash, the way he is using it is a radio controlled off camera flash.
Just about anything will work.
The biggist consideration is the power it delivers for use with shoot through umbrellas etc.


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Nov 05, 2010 03:08 |  #5
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Quantum is not a company i would invest money is, just a glance on their website screams stay away. Not to mention the various bugs they have had with their ttl compatibility. Which is the only thing that speaks in it's favour for those who dont want manual flash.


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Nov 05, 2010 06:32 |  #6

MR do little wrote in post #11228538 (external link)
Quantum is not a company i would invest money is, just a glance on their website screams stay away. Not to mention the various bugs they have had with their ttl compatibility. Which is the only thing that speaks in it's favour for those who dont want manual flash.

Really?? What about their site screams stay away? They have A+ customer service and offer cheap upgrades for existing customers. How many companies can say that?? Have you ever even owned one of their products? They have one of the best and most reliable solutions for wireless TTL and come highly recommended by numerous well known photographers.

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Nov 05, 2010 07:14 |  #7

I agree with Paul on this one. One of their core demographics are wedding photographers. Some like em, some hate em. I just don't see the need, especially now with the Quadra. It's more versatile, has a ranger of modifiers and if you look in the Elinchrom thread, you'll see how people are mounting it to camera brackets and walking around with it.

You can get a larger number of shots at the same power levels.... it's a win-win in my book. Unless you are really tied to TTL, which i never use.




  
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Nov 05, 2010 08:00 |  #8

Yeah even without weighing in with my opinion on Quantum flashes I just think it is too expensive for $100 less you can get a 580exII with a quantum turbo pack and a set of pocketwizard Flex5's if you want TTL


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Nov 05, 2010 08:34 |  #9

Why not a canon battery pack. -
Somewhere in here, I stumbled over someone who made there own external power source for canon lights.

The OP asked if there was less expensive route.


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Nov 05, 2010 10:53 |  #10

What did you think of his version of the Westcott umbrellA- does it diffuse the light more than a normal umbrella or let more light through.


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Nov 05, 2010 11:01 |  #11

Personally, I don't have any concerns about Quantum, but I've never bought one of their flashes because it doesn't represent a good value for me. I get what I need (excpet for radio) with my pair of 580's and when I need more juice, I still make good use of a pair of old Sunpaks 544's.

I think you may be too equipment focused and not solutions focused. I've been to Ziser's events and I'm very familiar with what he does. There's nothing there that you can't reproduce with different equipment for much less cost. Don't worry about the gear, focus on how he creates and controls light. That's what his seminar is really about. Well, that and making too much money selling other people's stuff.


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Nov 05, 2010 12:01 |  #12

TopHatMoments wrote in post #11229330 (external link)
Why not a canon battery pack. -
Somewhere in here, I stumbled over someone who made there own external power source for canon lights.

The OP asked if there was less expensive route.

I listed it with the Quantum Turbo pack to be more of an apples for apples, while the canon pack is great for long shoots and not having to change batteries the turbo packs will fire at full power and come damn close to keeping up with the frame rate on a 1D Mk III


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mumbles wrote in post #11229067 (external link)
especially now with the Quadra. It's more versatile, has a ranger of modifiers

OK, I laughed :-)

and if you look in the Elinchrom thread, you'll see how people are mounting it to camera brackets and walking around with it.

Yeah, the really really smart and talented ones :-)


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Nov 07, 2010 02:39 |  #14
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joe_it wrote in post #11228948 (external link)
Really?? What about their site screams stay away?

The design, the colors, the fonts, the product codes.

joe_it wrote in post #11228948 (external link)
They have A+ customer service and offer cheap upgrades for existing customers. How many companies can say that??

Excellent customer service i could say about a lot of companies i deal with, i know it's more rare in the states. As for cheap upgrades, well that's the least they can do while they let their user base beta test for the next firmware.

joe_it wrote in post #11228948 (external link)
Have you ever even owned one of their products?

Now your just being ignorant, read my post and you have your answer.

joe_it wrote in post #11228948 (external link)
They have one of the best and most reliable solutions for wireless TTL and come highly recommended by numerous well known photographers.

Joe

Can you say Trio ?

Its a small company with a user base mainly located in the US. Some people seems to think they are the hottest thing since sliced bread just because they where innovative once upon a time.


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Nov 07, 2010 08:12 |  #15

Okay I'm asking again because I really want to know. Half of that system he uses is that umbrella, al umbrellas are not alike, some not even close. Westcott makes his and I'm under the impression that it is indifferent fabric which is not as dense as the standard double fold Westcott umbrella which is my favorite shoot through for speedlights. But chatting with a Westcott rep at an event here last summer , he mentioned it was more dense, which I would not be interested in- which is it? His umbrella costs about twice as much as the standard Westcot's so I'd like to know more before I but-to-try with the possibility of it ending up in the closet with about ten other umbrellas I don't use. And yes I really do like the light from that cheap strobist Westcott double fold umbrella when using it as a shoot through


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