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Nov 08, 2010 09:25 |  #1

I have been trying relentlessly to figure out what is the problem item here. Ive never had problems with this with my past canon cameras or printers. I have have a Canon T1 Camera and a Canon Pro9000 Printer. Im using a 1080 LG LCD tv as a Monitor. I cannot print one picture that looks like anything on my camera or my monitor. They come out horribly dark and the color is from two different worlds. Ive tried messing with the tvs color controls till i get close to the picture that spits out of the printer..but then you cant even see things on the monitor. So im trying to figure out if its the Camera or printer thats screwing up. I was going to try to bring an SD card to a place and have them print out a pic..to make sure its not the camera..any suggestions?




  
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Nov 08, 2010 10:34 |  #2

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...So im trying to figure out if its the Camera or printer thats screwing up.

Probably neither... Have you printed a standard printer test image (with no adjustments), with the printer managing color? And the same print with Photoshop managing color, using the correct ICC profile and print driver settings?

If a standard test image prints OK, it rules out the printer. You can find printer test images here:

http://www.pixl.dk/dow​nload/ (external link)
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk …le_pages/test_i​mages.html (external link)

But... Why in the world are you using a tv for photo editing when color accurate monitors are available for less than $300 USD?


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Nov 08, 2010 11:07 |  #3

skinnyboy wrote in post #11246005 (external link)
So im trying to figure out if its the Camera or printer thats screwing up.

I vote for the TV. you say you have never had this problem with any of your past cameras and printers - have you always used this TV with these previous devices?

You have stumbled upon the world of color management. I will let Réne post here that you should take a look at the links in his signature line.

If you really want your display and print to match as closely as possible, you need a "color managed workflow" where you know exactly how each step of capturing, editing and outputting images affects the image itself. To maintain consistency across your workflow, you have to "calibrate" and "profile" your devices so that each handles color consistently. Typically, the weakest link in the chain is an uncalibrated, unprofiled display device. Because you do most of your tweaking on this device, if it is not set up properly to show you an accurate rendering of the image data, you will start making adjustments to the data that can lead to inconsistent output on a profiled device, like a printer that has paper/ink profiles supplied to you by the vendor.

Have you tried printing an image directly from your camera (using PictBridge or whatever Canon calls their direct-to-printer technology)? I think if you shoot JPEG in sRGB and then print directly form the camera to the printer, you may find a fairly good rendering of the image. This would rule out those devices and leave you with the suspect TV.

I have used an iOne Display2 colorimeter device and test patterns and software to adjust my LCD TV, but only for viewing TV shows and movies, and only because I am a nerd, not because I would ever edit images on it.

Welcome to the machine - maybe you can buy Chas's DTP-94 colorimeter!

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Nov 08, 2010 15:44 |  #4

kirkt wrote in post #11246608 (external link)
...maybe you can buy Chas's DTP-94 colorimeter!

Make me an offer! :lol:


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Nov 08, 2010 22:01 as a reply to  @ ChasP505's post |  #5

i printed directly from the camera to printer..is the display picture on the camera supposed to be brighter and a lighter color? I thought the pic in the camera display is generally the way its supposed to look?? When i printed not using the monitor..i think it seemed better , but was still darker and way more darker red toned. I even turned down the brightness on the camera lcd and it still looked lighter and a more golden tone on the camera. So im not sure if its the camera or printer..im thinkin more the printer..or just that i dont know what the hell im doin. This lcd tv was the first time i didnt use a computer monitor...so i guess i should go back to one huh? Any suggestions on a decent one i can just use for my pics that wont cost an arm an a leg? i have a pretty new hp pc..




  
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Nov 08, 2010 22:05 |  #6

You need to get the appropriate printer color management profile and also calibrate the display you are using for accurate colors.


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Nov 08, 2010 22:08 |  #7

what does "appropriate printer color management profile" and will it be easy to calibrate this lcd tv to match the cameras?




  
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Nov 08, 2010 22:13 |  #8

skinnyboy wrote in post #11250405 (external link)
what does "appropriate printer color management profile" and will it be easy to calibrate this lcd tv to match the cameras?

The printer profile can be found on the manufactures' website. Download it and apply it in your print setup window.

Search for screen calibration or something similar to find what you need for the display. If you can find a place that rents the calibrator, it'll only cost you a couple of bucks and 10 minutes to get the colors correct.

Your biggest problem is probably to printer profile though. Get that set up and you should be "close" to accurate.


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Nov 08, 2010 22:19 |  #9

okay..thanks, i will try it. The printer was set up with the disc supplied..and i never messed with any settings..but i will do what you say..and see if that helps..thanks again




  
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Nov 09, 2010 04:03 |  #10

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i printed directly from the camera to printer..is the display picture on the camera supposed to be brighter and a lighter color? I thought the pic in the camera display is generally the way its supposed to look??

Depends very much on how bright you've set your cameras display and how dark the surroundings are.
For instance: If I shoot performing arts (dark surroundings) I have the display of my 1D3 at about lowest brightness to get an approximate match...


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Nov 09, 2010 09:56 as a reply to  @ René Damkot's post |  #11

yes i was shooting in my bedroom, with one strobe and a yellow tinted light..i wanted the background dark..and the picture warm..it looked great on the camera display..lol..crap after printed




  
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Nov 09, 2010 10:03 |  #12

skinnyboy wrote in post #11246005 (external link)
I have been trying relentlessly to figure out what is the problem item here. Ive never had problems with this with my past canon cameras or printers. I have have a Canon T1 Camera and a Canon Pro9000 Printer. Im using a 1080 LG LCD tv as a Monitor. I cannot print one picture that looks like anything on my camera or my monitor. They come out horribly dark and the color is from two different worlds. Ive tried messing with the tvs color controls till i get close to the picture that spits out of the printer..but then you cant even see things on the monitor. So im trying to figure out if its the Camera or printer thats screwing up. I was going to try to bring an SD card to a place and have them print out a pic..to make sure its not the camera..any suggestions?

skinnyboy wrote in post #11250361 (external link)
i printed directly from the camera to printer..is the display picture on the camera supposed to be brighter and a lighter color? I thought the pic in the camera display is generally the way its supposed to look?? When i printed not using the monitor..i think it seemed better , but was still darker and way more darker red toned. I even turned down the brightness on the camera lcd and it still looked lighter and a more golden tone on the camera. So im not sure if its the camera or printer..im thinkin more the printer..or just that i dont know what the hell im doin. This lcd tv was the first time i didnt use a computer monitor...so i guess i should go back to one huh? Any suggestions on a decent one i can just use for my pics that wont cost an arm an a leg? i have a pretty new hp pc..

So, just to get this clear -- you say you are printing directly from the camera and that you are viewing on a TV -- is that with the camera plugged in to the TV or are you using the TV plugged into your HP PC? Is this a laptop or desktop?

As far as the camera LCD, that is not the best way of judging image brightness for Direct Print unless you really learn what you are dealing with. A valuable tool would be the camera Histogram. This will take some experimenting on your part, but you can use the histogram to compare with the print brightness and get an idea of how an image should come across in the print -- generally, the more of an image you can get in the range of the middle to the right of the histogram, the brighter the print will be. So, try getting one of the images that have printed dark to show up in your camera preview and then press the Info button to show the histogram. If the histogram curve tends toward the left side that means darker tones. Then, try to capture an image in which you adjust your exposure settings until the histogram curve ranges mostly around the center to the right side (but not jammed against the right side) and print out that one -- your print should come out pretty nice. And, if your camera has live view, you can turn it on and turn Exposure Simulation on, and be able to set up some of your shots using the histogram and also the image preview to get an idea of how these two work together before taking a shot.

If that test doesn't work, you may have some problem with the printer processing the pics and may need to adjust the printer, but how you might do that for Direct Print (camera to printer) is something you'd have to find out from the printer docs or online -- I don't have a Canon printer to even try this:)!

But, for most things, I'd work through your PC to print, simply because it gives you a chance to review your shots with a real monitor and make adjustments as needed. As you've seen, it can be normal (and frustrating) to try to print shots right out of the camera, thinking that they "look good" and end up with dark prints. So, first learn to "get it right in the camera" using the histogram properly, and then learn to work with editing software and your PC to touch things up.


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Nov 09, 2010 10:10 as a reply to  @ tonylong's post |  #13

How much ink and paper have you wasted so far? You could have used that money towards a decent color accurate monitor and calibration kit.


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Nov 09, 2010 10:13 |  #14

I used numerous ICC profiles off the Ilford site to try and get Lightroom to print as desired using a Canon MP560. I even emailed Ilford to ask which one to use (MP560 not listed and they still haven' responded).

In the end the 'printer managed' function was near perfect lol.


I'm going to with the crowd and say the TV is the culprit


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Nov 09, 2010 17:08 |  #15

Would you mind sharing with us your operating platform. We know what the printer is. I too had an issue with my Epson R2880 and seem pretty close to resolving it. Drive and paper/color profiles are critical. René was an awesome help.


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