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Brick vs Summicron-R (color/bokeh comparison)

 
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Nov 09, 2010 17:28 |  #16

Most of Leica lenses are famous on color, sharpness, build quality and of course price.




  
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Nov 09, 2010 17:37 |  #17

This would have been a great blind test. I'd wager the results would've pissed off some Germans.


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Nov 09, 2010 18:20 |  #18

Pissed off some Germans? The test I see shows the Leica having more color saturation and being more contrasty than the Canon Zoom wide open (and the Leica is a stop faster). You can even see more detail in the petal edges (thats in focus but this could be due to the Leica having more contrast) with the Leica. The Canon looks straightup dull when placed against the Leica. But as stated, its a prime vs. a zoom. The 35L vs. the 35 Summicron would also be an interesting comparison.

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^- I've had that problem with Canon lenses and red subjects not rendering right...Though i also heard someone say it can be the body too...

I've had the same issue and I think its the sensors and Canon lenses working in conjunction. I currently shoot with a Zeiss 50/1.7 and the reds aren't as "blown out" as it was with my Canon 50/1.4 but it still happens to some degree. With that said I think using a Neutral or Faithful Picture Style (if using DPP to process RAW photos or if you're shooting JPEGs) is the best for accurate color representation. Standard, Portrait and Landscape all look "cartoony" to me and they tend to really effect how the reds in a photo look.


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Nov 09, 2010 18:31 |  #19

BlueTsunami wrote in post #11255383 (external link)
Pissed off some Germans? The test I see shows the Leica having more color saturation and being more contrasty than the Canon Zoom wide open (and the Leica is a stop faster). You can even see more detail in the petal edges (thats in focus but this could be due to the Leica having more contrast) with the Leica. The Canon looks straightup dull when placed against the Leica. But as stated, its a prime vs. a zoom. The 35L vs. the 35 Summicron would also be an interesting comparison.

I would have liked to see the results without the labels. After the fact, I'm sure EVERYONE sees all the wonderfullness of the Leica. I wonder how many would before they knew which was which.

Personally, sharpness seems the only clear variable. But I wouldn't be shocked if someone couldn't tell which was which based solely on sharpness, as the difference at this resolution isn't dramatic. With those shots in a blind test it wouldn't surprise me if all different aspects of IQ are a toss up.

I'm impressed with how well such a notoriously performing zoom held up to a prime with such pedigree.


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Nov 09, 2010 18:52 |  #20

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Zeiss is a completely different story. It's not neutral. It asserts a certain rendering style and you have to live with it. I personally love the Zeiss rendering style but there are plenty of people that don't and find it too contrasty and too direct and blunt.

This is a very interesting point of view.
I also love the Zeiss rendering style, it just depends on the subject and the personal mood (which varies depending on the moment !).

There is no better or worse, lenses are different and this means options.
Options are choices, and choices are freedom.

P.S. Great shots with Zeiss lenses (and not only) on your site.


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Nov 10, 2010 14:02 |  #21

Thanks CheshireCat!

This is not meant to be a proper test in any way, but here are two example scenes:

The first one shot with a 5DII + Zeiss 85/1.4 and the second one M9 + Leica 75/2 APO Summicron ASPH. Ignore the aperture indicated by the M9, it's completely wrong (the M9 has no electronic contact with the lens but guesses the aperture based on the light metering and it is usually completely wrong):

IMAGE: http://peltarion.eu/img/comp/7585/planar-1.jpg

IMAGE: http://peltarion.eu/img/comp/7585/cron-1.jpg

The difference is very easy to see with the Zeiss having far higher contrast both local and global. The 75 Summicron shot has been cropped to match the size of the 85 Planar.

The second subject was in both cases shot with my M9 - the first picture with the Zeiss 50/1.5 Sonnar @ f/1.5 and the second one with the 75 Summicron @ f/2. They were never intended to be comparison shots, so the framing etc is different. You can still see the difference in overall rendering style. The 50 Sonnar is a very special lens that strongly asserts a certain style at larger apertures while the 75 Summicron is always very neutral:

IMAGE: http://peltarion.eu/img/m9/zm50-46.jpg

IMAGE: http://peltarion.eu/img/m9/cron75-28.jpg

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Nov 10, 2010 15:12 |  #22

Luka, thanks for sharing. Very interesting examples.


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