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Nov 11, 2010 10:30 |  #1

I would like to get a few high quality ND filters, but I don't even know where to begin. I know I want silky waters, but past that I have no idea. I'm a landscape newb!

Is there a set of "starter" filters that one absolutely needs? Gear is in my sig, if that helps.


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Nov 11, 2010 11:00 |  #2

If it is high quality you are after you can't go far wrong with Lee Filters. They do an ND starter kit I think which will get you started along the right path.

I'm guessing you are in the US so have a look at B&H (external link) or Adorama (external link).

The starter kit comes with an ND grad and an ND and to this you can add darker ND filters to get even longer exposure times for the silky water look.


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Nov 11, 2010 11:43 |  #3

Here's my choice and recommendation on ND or GND filters.

Many users from this forum buy here. The link will take you directly to the Lee filter section.
http://www.2filter.com​/Leefilters/LeeFilters​4x4.html (external link)

Kit options are:

Lee ND 4x6 Gradual FILTER Kits This is only for the filter. You'll need to buy the Holder and adapter rings for your lens.
3 Lee 4x6 ND filters ND0.3, ND0.6 and ND0.9 $246.21

Lee Digital SLR Starter Kit
Lee kit includes FK Holder, Lee 4x6 ND 0.6 Hard Line Gradual, cleaning cloth, Lee Pro Glass 4x4 ND.6 solid, Lee 3 filter filter pouch. You also need to buy adapter rings for your lens.


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Nov 11, 2010 12:13 |  #4

Great suggestions, and exactly what I was looking for! Who are Lee's biggest competitors quality wise? And which are cheaper? (though I'm willing to spend the Lee price if need be)


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Nov 11, 2010 12:18 as a reply to  @ mchong75's post |  #5

If you will want to get into using ND Grads, then you will need a system like the Lee set that has been recommended - they make great filters.

If your interest right now is just in the ND filter, you can get screw-on type ND's that may be a little faster to work with. B&H or Adorama (as mentioned) have great selections. I would recommend the B&W or Hoya filters.

They come in all sizes and flavors. Here's the different versions:

• ND.3 (exposure adjustment = 1 stop)
• ND.6 (exposure adjustment = 2 stops)
• ND.9 (exposure adjustment = 3 stops)
• ND 1.8 (exposure adjustment = approx. 6 stops)
• ND 3.0 (exposure adjustment = 10 stops)
• ND 4.0 (exposure adjustment = 13-2/3 stops)
• ND 6.0 = (exposure adjustment = approx. 20 stops)

I make use of the 3 stop and 6 stop quite often - they would be a good starting point.

Also, a CPL will sometimes work as a 1-2 stop filter.


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Nov 21, 2010 14:37 |  #6

Atsumi wrote in post #11266058 (external link)
Great suggestions, and exactly what I was looking for! Who are Lee's biggest competitors quality wise? And which are cheaper? (though I'm willing to spend the Lee price if need be)

Cheaper: Hitech (external link).
More expensive: Singh Ray (external link).


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Nov 23, 2010 06:06 as a reply to  @ rvdw98's post |  #7

To start off with I would suggest only 3 filters and then slowly built on your kit..

ND.3 Graduated
ND.6 Graduated
ND.9 Graduated

I have mixed lee / hi tech and Cokin filters - I purchased the Cokin Z holder and Ring becuase it's half the price of the Lee System and does the same job - unless you want to purchase a filter like the "Big Stopper" then you're going to need a Lee holder.

For long exposures to give that silky water and sky effect then may I suggest the B+W 10 stop filter "screw in" - works well and again cheaper than Lee filters.. It's a screw in filter but if you screw that on first and then your filter holder after


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Nov 23, 2010 07:01 |  #8

And which ones among the ND (not GND) filters do you find the most used?


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Nov 23, 2010 20:38 as a reply to  @ bhardwaj.deepak's post |  #9

Consider a VND like the ones from Fader or SingRay so you can more easily dial in the smoothing effect.

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Nov 23, 2010 23:27 |  #10

But people report vignetting with dial ups on wide angles, I guess below 24mm. Any views?


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Nov 24, 2010 03:14 |  #11

I currently have both, the Z Pro and X Pro filter holders and the appropriate Singh Ray filters for them. With Z pro on my 16-35L you will get vignetting below 20 (at least from my experience) That is why I went with the X Pro. No vignetting (even at 16mm). Yes the filters cost more but well worth it. I only use the Z Pro with 100mm 85mm and 70-200mm (with no vignetting with these lens). I recently purchased two 10 stop (3.0) screw on"s from B+W and Heliopan for both the 16-35 and 70-200 and am vry happy!

P.S. I would have both both filters from B+W but, I think they stop making the 82mm version. So therefor I bought one from heliopan instead.


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Nov 24, 2010 08:23 |  #12

Presha wrote in post #11337644 (external link)
I currently have both, the Z Pro and X Pro filter holders and the appropriate Singh Ray filters for them. With Z pro on my 16-35L you will get vignetting below 20 (at least from my experience) That is why I went with the X Pro. No vignetting (even at 16mm). Yes the filters cost more but well worth it. I only use the Z Pro with 100mm 85mm and 70-200mm (with no vignetting with these lens). I recently purchased two 10 stop (3.0) screw on"s from B+W and Heliopan for both the 16-35 and 70-200 and am vry happy!

P.S. I would have both both filters from B+W but, I think they stop making the 82mm version. So therefor I bought one from heliopan instead.

Are you talking about GNDs here?


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Nov 24, 2010 14:21 |  #13

Yes I am talking about GND. but I also have B+W and Heliopan 10 stop (110/ 3.0) screw on filters also.


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Nov 25, 2010 03:47 |  #14

Presha wrote in post #11337644 (external link)
With Z pro on my 16-35L you will get vignetting below 20 (at least from my experience)

odd, I'm using Z Pro on my 17-40 and have no vignetting at 17mm - but saying that I have removed the 3rd slot from the holder!

ah wait - 16-35 has an 82mm thread right?


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Nov 29, 2010 02:34 |  #15

Yes Martin, you are correct about the 16-35 having 82mm threads.


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