No longer a fan of Apple computers - Am I off base here?

I am not getting error messages, the machine will just halt then the screen goes grey with all these different languages, the only option is to hold down the power button to force a restart. When it does run its slow, always hanging and stalling 20 to 30 seconds or so just doing something simple like switching to a browser window is enough to make it stall.

Sorry if this has been covered but have you unplugged and replugged every connector including the RAM? I've seen this as a problem on new machines and its often caused during shipping.

If it were heat, it would just reset itself and you wouldn't get a kernel panic.

Trust me, I know this.

It really sounds like hardware. When I was installing OS X on my desktop PC, i saw a million kernel panics while I was trying to get the right drivers for my hardware. Once the correct drivers were working, there were no more kernel panics.

And heat isn't an i7 problem, it from the poor design of the case and the airflow. Sure, it's thin and looks good, but even my 2.53 C2D MBP runs super hot and will generally shut down due to over heating if you have I connect it to my 30" monitor. That's sad seeing as how apple manufactures and sells a $100 adapter just for DVI-D connections...

Tommydigi wrote in post #11300916
I am not getting error messages, the machine will just halt then the screen goes grey with all these different languages, the only option is to hold down the power button to force a restart. When it does run its slow, always hanging and stalling 20 to 30 seconds or so just doing something simple like switching to a browser window is enough to make it stall.

Try booting in Safe Mode (hold the shift key while booting) and use it for a few hours to see if the problem persists.

crn3371 wrote in post #11300910
The first thing that popped into my head was to say to take those type of threads with a grain of salt because you always see a higher percentage of complainers in a support forum. After noticing that the first thread was 82 pages long it looks as if you're definitely not alone and that there might actually be an issue with this model.

Yea, you don't see many people going to a 'support' forum to say everything is peachy Lets see, more than 2 million Mac's are sold per month, even 1,000 problems per day falls within the tolerances for most products. Consumer Reports says Apple's hardware ranks as #1 (or about 12% failure/serious problem rate). That's about 2.8 million bad computers per year. That many upset people are bound to make some kind of noise. The next OEM comes it at 17%. If that were Apple it would mean about 4 million upset people vs. only 2.8.

There will always be a lemon in every group... Personally, I've had little problems here and there, but nothing serious (knock on wood). Abandoning Apple, the best ranked support, satisfaction and reliability company because of a fluke... well, that's just silly. It's a free market though; buy something else then.

Village_Idiot wrote in post #11301164
That's sad seeing as how apple manufactures and sells a $100 adapter just for DVI-D connections...

Can you please clarify this?

MaxxuM wrote in post #11301622
Can you please clarify this?

Their Mini Displayport to DVI-D adapter.

http://store.apple.com …/MB571Z/A?mco=M​TY3ODQ5OTY

Village_Idiot wrote in post #11301899
Their Mini Displayport to DVI-D adapter.

http://store.apple.com …/MB571Z/A?mco=M​TY3ODQ5OTY

Ahhh, that's the Dual-Link DVI-D adapter, not the Mini DisplayPort to DVI-D. Two different creatures there. And, just about all dual link wires have issues too, btw. That's why it's powered, and more expensive. Apple tried (and IMO failed) to give laptop users a big monitor.

Not just that there were problems with the cable, but the laptop constantly overheats and shuts down when doing anything at all involving the GPU.

I'll keep my response simple. I have a 17 MBP, my battery life when not using photoshop and demanding things is around 8 hours. Heavy usage..around 3 hours.


If you're not getting anything close to that, I'd request to talk to a supervisor at tech support and get it straightened out.

If your PCs seldom, if ever, crash then I'm pretty sure you are not working them very hard. I used to be a big PC fan and one of the things I liked about them was that they didn't crash nearly as often as the Macs in the shop. Of course that didn't take into account the fact that I was using my PC for business applications such as spread sheets and word processing and the Macs were being used primarily for complex graphic work. When I started trying to do serious graphic and photo work on a PC I found it crashed significantly more often than the Macs we were using.

This was 20 years ago and nothing has significantly changed since. I'm in contact with people at hundreds of newspapers around the country and I have never encountered a graphic artist, designer or photo editor who would prefer a PC to an Apple if given a choice. I do know several who work with PCs but only because someone who didn't have to work with the computer decided everyone had to use a PC. Probably because they didn't want to support two platforms or because of cost issues. In short, business decisions which were given a higher priority than the users' preferences. Sometimes that's necessary but it's definitely not ideal.

If all I had to do on a computer was straight up business applications for budgeting and word processing for memos, documentation and proposals I would still be happy with my old PC but not if I have to do anything in the graphics world.

I'm sorry, but that's simply hearsay. I use a PC and I regularly do Photoshop/Lightroom work on it, as well as some gaming and a distributive computing program called Folding@Home, and my PC is rock-solid stable. It stays on for weeks at a time with no issues whatsoever, and the only reason it can't go longer than a week is because I have to restart the PC for system updates.

This is a screenshot of my current PC running. So far it's been 9 days since the last restart, and that was only because I was out of town and didn't want to leave my PC on for no reason. I've had three heavy LR/PS sessions, four gaming sessions, and F@H running in the background 24/7. And of course, the usual internet browsing/music/video/o​ffice tasks.

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printguy wrote in post #11304606
If your PCs seldom, if ever, crash then I'm pretty sure you are not working them very hard. I used to be a big PC fan and one of the things I liked about them was that they didn't crash nearly as often as the Macs in the shop. Of course that didn't take into account the fact that I was using my PC for business applications such as spread sheets and word processing and the Macs were being used primarily for complex graphic work. When I started trying to do serious graphic and photo work on a PC I found it crashed significantly more often than the Macs we were using.

This was 20 years ago and nothing has significantly changed since. I'm in contact with people at hundreds of newspapers around the country and I have never encountered a graphic artist, designer or photo editor who would prefer a PC to an Apple if given a choice. I do know several who work with PCs but only because someone who didn't have to work with the computer decided everyone had to use a PC. Probably because they didn't want to support two platforms or because of cost issues. In short, business decisions which were given a higher priority than the users' preferences. Sometimes that's necessary but it's definitely not ideal.

If all I had to do on a computer was straight up business applications for budgeting and word processing for memos, documentation and proposals I would still be happy with my old PC but not if I have to do anything in the graphics world.

r31ncarnat3d wrote in post #11305239
I'm sorry, but that's simply hearsay. I use a PC and I regularly do Photoshop/Lightroom work on it, as well as some gaming and a distributive computing program called Folding@Home, and my PC is rock-solid stable. It stays on for weeks at a time with no issues whatsoever, and the only reason it can't go longer than a week is because I have to restart the PC for system updates.

This is a screenshot of my current PC running. So far it's been 9 days since the last restart, and that was only because I was out of town and didn't want to leave my PC on for no reason. I've had three heavy LR/PS sessions, four gaming sessions, and F@H running in the background 24/7. And of course, the usual internet browsing/music/video/o​ffice tasks.

As the mod's have already stated. This is not a PC vs Mac thread... It's a bash Apple or praise Apple thread

Thank you for your compliance in this matter.

I did bring in the computer and apple is testing it to see what is wrong. They did promise to get me a working machine one way or the other. We'll see what happens.

Using lightroom i'm getting around 5 and a half hour battery life.
17inch macbook pro, i5, 4 gigs of ram, 500 gig hard drive.