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More fun with a PLM V2, PW AC7, and a 3/8" steel rod ...

 
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Nov 18, 2010 19:56 |  #1

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I think this is a *really* good way to use a PLM V2 with a Canon shoe mount flash; it gets the light stand out of the catchlight and also out of the way.

The umbrella mount on a PocketWizard AC7 RF shield is large enough to accept a 3/8" diameter rod and that's what allows this arrangement to work. Other than the AC7, all this "mod" requires is a 36" long steel rod (Home Depot) and an Avenger D200 or equivalent grip head:

Remove the "positioning" rod from the PLM V2's central shaft and, in its place, insert a 3/8" steel rod. The rod is held in place by a thumbscrew at the umbrella's tip. The excess rod sticking out of the back of the PLM goes into the grip head. Done.

Since I wanted to use an external battery pack, I cut slits in the white 51" PLM and its black outer cover to allow the power cord to pass through to the back side of the umbrella.

The AC7 just slips onto the steel rod:

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The above photos show the recommended position of the flash but it can easily be moved to achieve a different effect if desired:

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Put the front diffusion cover on the PLM and you've created an ersatz Softlighter:

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Finally, the back:

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You'll notice that the 3/8" steel rod is seen passing through a 5/8" section of aluminum rod. That's an optional extra feature. The 3/8" rod can go straight into the grip head. The other thing I'll point out is the wedge of Gorilla Tape over the slit in the PLM's back cover. That's there to keep the material from tearing. I had a tailor sew a reinforced buttonhole in the PLM itself.

I performed this experiment on a 51" white PLM V2 because that's what I had on hand. Light output is very good but would no doubt be even better with a silver PLM. I have a 64" silver PLM V2 but think that might be a bit too large for this application. I will give it a try but suspect I'll wind up buying a 51" silver PLM if they ever come off backorder.

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Nov 18, 2010 21:32 |  #2

Could you use the 3/8" rod to mount a strobe as well? Amazon ran out of those 7mm rods you suggested for that application :-(


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Nov 18, 2010 21:44 |  #3

Very clean, Dave! Any test shots to show how well it fills the umbrella from full power all the way down to the lowest power?




  
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Nov 18, 2010 21:53 |  #4

kenyee wrote in post #11309898 (external link)
Could you use the 3/8" rod to mount a strobe as well? Amazon ran out of those 7mm rods you suggested for that application :-(

The 7mm rod was dictated by the PLM's "positioning rod", 7mm being the largest diameter that would fit. It soon dawned on me that the positioning rod was serving no purpose whatsoever. Removing the positioning rod opened up the PLM's central shaft so that a 10mm rather than a 7mm rod could be used. This being the US where "metric" is a four letter word, I was unable to source a 10mm rod. However, 3/8" rod is readily available and that's only a bit shy of 10mm (9.52mm actually). I drilled out the two pieces that had originally been sized for the 7mm rod and use them now with the larger 3/8" rod. So, the answer to your specific question is, yes, the PLM V2 "cages" can now be screwed onto the end of my 3/8" rod so studio strobes (Elinchrom, AB, or Bowens mount) can be mounted as before:

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EDIT: I should also mention that a true 10mm rod probably would not fit in the PW AC7's umbrella holder. The 3/8" rod *just* fits.

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Nov 18, 2010 22:02 |  #5

Seanzky wrote in post #11309978 (external link)
Very clean, Dave! Any test shots to show how well it fills the umbrella from full power all the way down to the lowest power?

Patience Grasshopper!

I can tell you I did do a quick test with the 64" silver PLM and 580EX II and was metering f/11 at 10-feet, ISO 100.

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Nov 18, 2010 22:17 |  #6

tetrode wrote in post #11310112 (external link)
Patience Grasshopper!

I don't know the meaning of the word. Pictures, please. :D

EDIT: Fine. I'll wait. Hmph! :rolleyes:




  
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Nov 18, 2010 22:38 |  #7

Very nice, Dave. Your ingenuity and creativity really impresses the heck out of me! :)


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Nov 18, 2010 23:13 |  #8

another technological advancement Dave, a $100 octabank, you should patent the conversion before your friend steals the idea, very well done! :cool:


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Nov 18, 2010 23:42 as a reply to  @ FJ LOVE's post |  #9

The Indirect PLM. Beautiful work Dave.


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Nov 19, 2010 08:38 |  #10

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another technological advancement Dave, a $100 octabank, you should patent the conversion before your friend steals the idea, very well done! :cool:

Unfortunately, I'm afraid I'm too late. My "friend" in Tennessee told me flat out when we spoke on the phone some time ago, "I'm stealing your idea". I wonder how many times his straight steel rod will be delayed and recalled before he gets it right. Super Laser Retro Rod V3 should probably be mostly debugged.

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The Indirect PLM. Beautiful work Dave.

Thank you, Rob.




  
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Nov 19, 2010 08:48 |  #12

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The 7mm rod was dictated by the PLM's "positioning rod", 7mm being the largest diameter that would fit. It soon dawned on me that the positioning rod was serving no purpose whatsoever. Removing the positioning rod opened up the PLM's central shaft so that a 10mm rather than a 7mm rod could be used. This being the US where "metric" is a four letter word, I was unable to source a 10mm rod. However, 3/8" rod is readily available and that's only a bit shy of 10mm (9.52mm actually). I drilled out the two pieces that had originally been sized for the 7mm rod and use them now with the larger 3/8" rod. So, the answer to your specific question is, yes, the PLM V2 "cages" can now be screwed onto the end of my 3/8" rod so studio strobes (Elinchrom, AB, or Bowens mount) can be mounted as before:


EDIT: I should also mention that a true 10mm rod probably would not fit in the PW AC7's umbrella holder. The 3/8" rod *just* fits.

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I'm sorry, but I had to report you for using the M word.

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I'm sorry, but I had to report you for using the M word.

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Sorry for the lapse! So as not to offend, I should have written "m*****c".

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Nov 19, 2010 09:06 |  #14

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Sorry for the lapse! So as not to offend, I should have written "m*****c".

Dave F.

I'm terribly offended and my day is ruined. Harumph! ;)


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Nov 19, 2010 10:15 |  #15

tetrode wrote in post #11310056 (external link)
3/8" rod. So, the answer to your specific question is, yes, the PLM V2 "cages" can now be screwed onto the end of my 3/8" rod

Awesome! Thanks for confirming :D

Here's the Home Depot link for everyone else:
http://www.homedepot.c​om …eId=10051&catal​ogId=10053 (external link)

There's also a 4' version, but it probably isn't needed:
http://www.homedepot.c​om …eId=10051&catal​ogId=10053 (external link)

BTW, when you said "screwed onto", did you have to add some threads to the rod? Or do you mean the thumbscrew to hold the cage in place?


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