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How to shoot outdoors in bright conditions

 
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Nov 24, 2010 13:57 |  #1

Normally I would use shutter speed to control the lighting outdoors but with strobes I can only use 1/160 because of sync speed. Aperture controls DOF but with strobes it also controls the amount of light hitting the sensor. I can overcome this by increasing or decreasing power so this is not a great issue. But I want to shoot in bright conditions and a shutter speed of 1/160 and an aperture of 2.8 or bigger causes the background to blow out. If I wasn't using flash my shutter speed needs to be 1/3200 or more. So how do I use aperture at 2.8 or 1.4 and shutter speed of 1/160 and still keep the background from blowing out? Do I need to pick up a ND filter? I would need a 5 stop filter?




  
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Nov 24, 2010 14:02 |  #2

The only thing I can think of is use an ND filter to limit the light so you can shoot wide with a flash. Other than that, you may be asking too much. :)


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Nov 24, 2010 14:09 |  #3

blocks wrote in post #11339949 (external link)
Normally I would use shutter speed to control the lighting outdoors but with strobes I can only use 1/160 because of sync speed. Aperture controls DOF but with strobes it also controls the amount of light hitting the sensor. I can overcome this by increasing or decreasing power so this is not a great issue. But I want to shoot in bright conditions and a shutter speed of 1/160 and an aperture of 2.8 or bigger causes the background to blow out. If I wasn't using flash my shutter speed needs to be 1/3200 or more. So how do I use aperture at 2.8 or 1.4 and shutter speed of 1/160 and still keep the background from blowing out? Do I need to pick up a ND filter? I would need a 5 stop filter?


Try raising your f-stop to 16 and expose for the background. The flash should illuminate your subject while controlling the ambient light.


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Nov 24, 2010 14:10 |  #4

yup- ND filter. You might have to stack them to get sufficient light loss

osanai wrote in post #11340006 (external link)
Try raising your f-stop to 16 and expose for the background. The flash should illuminate your subject while controlling the ambient light.

but that won't let the OP shoot at F2.8 if that's what he needs to blur the BG sufficiently.


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Nov 24, 2010 14:16 |  #5

I use high speed sync with Nikon not sure what Canon has to give the same effect.


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Nov 24, 2010 14:26 |  #6

I am assuming your iso is set at 100. You can cheat the synch and shoot at 1/250. Yes you will not cover the whole sensor but it might work if you know what part of the sensor you are losing.
Maybe lose the flash and try reflectors?
Can you use HSS..Another option..


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Nov 24, 2010 14:30 |  #7

Anyone know why we can't set lower than iso 100 on these cameras? I used to shoot 25 speed slide film.... Would help with shooting wide open in good light without reaching for filters


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Nov 24, 2010 14:31 |  #8

Along with the ND filter, you can also increase your shutter speed from 1/160 to 1/250 or whatever your max sync speed is. Because you'll be shooting in bright sunlight, the dark shading you would normally get at the bottom of the image when shooting only with a strobe will not be an issue outdoors.


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Nov 24, 2010 15:33 |  #9

^^^^ +1
I have shot 1.4, 1/400th and fired a speed light OCF with an rf602 at 1/32 power. No black bar, but it was full bright sun.


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Nov 24, 2010 15:37 |  #10

ND filters, simple.

Look here.

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=924448


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Nov 24, 2010 15:44 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #11

Do strobes work differently than using off-camera flash? It seems that HSS should be able to get around this, if it's an option with strobes.


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Nov 24, 2010 15:49 |  #12

Snydremark wrote in post #11340422 (external link)
Do strobes work differently than using off-camera flash? It seems that HSS should be able to get around this, if it's an option with strobes.

Strobes won't let you do HSS. You can use HyperSync tricks to get faster ss than your max sync speed but even that is limited. I can do 1/500 on my 1dmk2 but not on 5d which only doe still 1/250. This is using miniTT1 on camera and Plus II on rx side. Haven't tried my FlexTT5 with ABs yet.


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Nov 24, 2010 15:58 |  #13

ND filters, but at some point your flash can't keep up.


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Nov 26, 2010 16:12 |  #14

windpig wrote in post #11340500 (external link)
ND filters, but at some point your flash can't keep up.


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Nov 26, 2010 16:27 |  #15

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Thread jack alert !!!! Love your avatar windpig !!! My Siamese cat is due to have a litter in January.

Pictures, I want to see pictures of the little ones. Actually, my avatar is our cat Jimmy. He is one of 3 Balinese and 1 tuxedo cat we have.


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