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tonyniev wrote in post #11551155
Phil if you need an assistant to shoot thes lovely ladies, I volunteer,

Tony there are thousands of beautiful models in your area.....
If I lived there... I would NETWORK my butt off to get good business....

oh....and good looking models too.

rohicks wrote in post #11548337
You do less damage to the product then a deer or any other animal would.

Lantz wrote in post #11552844
You might get shot here in the South for trespassing

I've known people around where I grew up to knowingly take a shot at trespassers (and only sometimes with the intent to scare) that later claimed that they were taking a shot at what they "thought was a deer" because they had not given anyone permission to be on their land. The sense of entitlement is indeed overwhelming in this country. What most people don't understand is that in some states/regions you'll have to go through an investigation for shooting someone under those circumstances, but it most likely wouldn't even go to trial unless you actually killed the person. The DA knows that they have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you knew it was NOT a deer, and that doing so is next to impossible. The photographer can sue in civil court if they think that you can prove to others in that jurisdiction (other farmers and landowners) that the person pulling the trigger knew that it was a person, but that it equally unlikely unless you're near a major metropolitan area.

Take your chances if you want, but also know that the farmer is going to see human tracks instead of hoof prints in the wallowed down spot. Everyone that I know will stop to look because they also hunt and will want to know where their prey is sleeping so they can go back to hunt in the best spots after harvest. If they see human tracks, you're just hacking them off for the next time someone tries the same trick (or even legitimately goes to ask).

jsvphoto wrote in post #11549060
Sorry, but this is a load of crap. You don't have any rights to be on someone else's private property. I can't tell you how irritating this is to me, that people feel they can just walk around on and otherwise utilize property that is not their own. It doesn't matter one lick how much damage you THINK you're doing (or not doing); the point is, it's not your property.

I'm left to wonder if you'd feel it would be acceptable if I came over to your house, brought along a friend, and took some pictures of her in your flower garden and inside your garden shed. Mind you, I wouldn't actually steel anything, and I would do less physical damage than a stray dog - honest.

There's literally no difference between this ridiculous scenario and what you've done. Let me reiterate: you have NO RIGHT to be on private property that is not your own! Regardless of how you might try to justify it in your mind.

In the future, I hope you will be responsible enough to either stick to property that is TRULY public (state/national parks, public rights-of-way for roadways and waterways, etc.) or get permission from the owners to access property before your shoots. Otherwise, you're just going to be out there giving the rest of us a bad name.

Actually your response is a load of crap. We do have rights. Check your local laws. I've looked into mine and I DO. As a photographer you do have rights and everyone should know them. Specially when you encounter law enforcement on the issue. Almost everyone has and should be able to voice their rights when told they can't be somewhere. I've been encountered by law enforcement and talked them down by standing my ground and so should others that are in the situation.

rohicks wrote in post #11553085
Actually your response is a load of crap. We do have rights. Check your local laws. I've looked into mine and I DO. As a photographer you do have rights and everyone should know them. Specially when you encounter law enforcement on the issue. Almost everyone has and should be able to voice their rights when told they can't be somewhere. I've been encountered by law enforcement and talked them down by standing my ground and so should others that are in the situation.

I don't think that anyone is saying that you don't have rights. Photographer rights have log been trampled upon by those that don't understand them. However, trespassing on private property to take a photos is not a photographer's right regardless of how little damage you think that you do.

Please point to the statute in ANY state that says that you can walk into my wheat field to take a picture of it. Not from the edge of the road, not flying overhead, but to actually step foot onto my property with the intention of taking a photo. If you have done your research, then providing that reference shouldn't be a problem.

lazer-jock wrote in post #11553163
I don't think that anyone is saying that you don't have rights. Photographer rights have log been trampled upon by those that don't understand them. However, trespassing on private property to take a photos is not a photographer's right regardless of how little damage you think that you do.

Please point to the statute in ANY state that says that you can walk into my wheat field to take a picture of it. Not from the edge of the road, not flying overhead, but to actually step foot onto my property with the intention of taking a photo. If you have done your research, then providing that reference shouldn't be a problem.

That's my point in this discussion. You need to be educated with which areas you can shoot in even if someone tells you that you can't. Refer to my very first sentence of what apparently started this debate.

rohicks wrote in post #11548337
Just shoot. Certain areas you actually have rights to be just by living in this country. You just need to know which areas those consist of.

rohicks wrote in post #11548337
Just shoot. Certain areas you actually have rights to be just by living in this country. You just need to know which areas those consist of.

Again, I agree that photographers have rights that are not well-understood by many people.

rohicks wrote in post #11548337
But ya just hop out the car setup shoot leave. You do less damage to the product then a deer or any other animal would. Just respect the property you're shooting on/in.

How much or little damage has nothing to do with your right to be there. Is it okay for me to hit you in the nose as long as I don't break it? (A reference to Oliver Wendell Holmes' quote along the same lines, in case it might be taken out of context.)

rohicks wrote in post #11548337
The molly picture i posted was a wheat field behind my house. And about 30 minutes before that shot I was kicked out of an abandoned house out in the country.

Kicked out for trespassing, I assume? If so, this seems exceedingly hypocritical to tout your rights to take photos when you seem quite willing to completely disregard the rights of others. Do you think that shoplifting is fine as long as you're not caught? Trespassing and shoplifting are both crimes where I'm from, and I still look forward to seeing the link to the statute from ANY state saying that trespassing does not apply to photographers.

rohicks wrote in post #11548337
So this was our second location while coming back home. I saw it pulled off the road and told her lets get some here

You're an exceedingly talented photographer, but I hope that you're not taking that for a license to ignore the rights of others as being less important than your own.

lazer-jock wrote in post #11553309
Again, I agree that photographers have rights that are not well-understood by many people.

How much or little damage has nothing to do with your right to be there. Is it okay for me to hit you in the nose as long as I don't break it? (A reference to Oliver Wendell Holmes' quote along the same lines, in case it might be taken out of context.)



Kicked out for trespassing, I assume? If so, this seems exceedingly hypocritical to tout your rights to take photos when you seem quite willing to completely disregard the rights of others. Do you think that shoplifting is fine as long as you're not caught? Trespassing and shoplifting are both crimes where I'm from, and I still look forward to seeing the link to the statute from ANY state saying that trespassing does not apply to photographers.

You're an exceedingly talented photographer, but I hope that you're not taking that for a license to ignore the rights of others as being less important than your own.

omgaaawwwddd so dramatic.

Like talking to a wall.

rohicks wrote in post #11553329
omgaaawwwddd so dramatic.

Like talking to a wall.

Please point out where I'm wrong, or does my failure to agree suffice as justification enough?

Anyway, I think that I've made my case, and we're taking this thread off-topic at this point.

pm me.

This thread is not for this.

sorry for my question leading to an argument! (but thanks for the responses too)

I wouldn't call it an argument.
Discussion on the topic of legalities in the wrong thread.

nowww picsuuresss.

rohicks wrote in post #11553609
I wouldn't call it an argument.

+1 It's actually nice to see what I would call a reasonable discussion in a PCB-related thread.

rohicks wrote in post #11553609
Discussion on the topic of legalities in the wrong thread.

nowww picsuuresss.

I don't have AB's (yet), so I look forward to some inspiring photos from Ryan and others. I'll eventually give in to the temptation to upgrade to strobes instead of relying on speedlights alone.

It's all good...

In a week Pham and I have some incredible bridal/wedding photos to show off.

Some of the best I've shot IMO. Can't wait to dump them to the public. If you guys remember the photos we posted of Aurielle ... that's who they will be of. She gets married on the 8th.

Can't wait to see them Ryan! Big fan of yours and Pham's work!

rohicks wrote in post #11553770
In a week Pham and I have some incredible bridal/wedding photos to show off.

Some of the best I've shot IMO. Can't wait to dump them to the public. If you guys remember the photos we posted of Aurielle ... that's who they will be of. She gets married on the 8th.

Ryan.. are these like photo sessions? or photojournalism candids?