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Nov 29, 2010 15:46 |  #1

For those waiting and those who have not yet tried it, the really excellent Oloneo HDR app has had a new beta released

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Dec 01, 2010 09:37 |  #2

I've been playing with Oloneo for a few months now and it can do some really neat stuff. I like the software. I hope when they finally release the full version, the price is right.


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Dec 01, 2010 09:43 as a reply to  @ tom1s's post |  #3

There is a small update to the beta to fix some bugs.

From initial playing, the de-ghosting is very usable and the align works effectively now. It is certainly one of the easiest apps to get a pleasant result from quickly. It is also one of the few that maintains some sort of colour integrity after blending. Reds don't shift hue and blues remain blue and not cyan.

Definitely not an app for those who like the "clown puke" effects but for those looking for natural toning.

Still hoping it will get batch processing and full Lightroom 3 support before it is released next year.


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Jan 05, 2011 15:07 |  #4

I had a play with it yesterday, since I've moved out of the ark and got a new machine that will actually run it. I was quite impressed, although I need to spend more time getting used to it.

Definitely not an app for those who like the "clown puke" effects but for those looking for natural toning.

LOL, I did spot a hint in one of the tonemapping options that said something like ">200, you CANNOT be serious" ;-)a


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Jan 05, 2011 15:51 |  #5

wow that looks interesting. has anyone done a comparison between oloneo and photomatix?


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Jan 05, 2011 16:26 |  #6

How does it handle really HDR shots, like real estate interiors at mid day?

So far, I'm still not overly impressed with most HDR programs for RE interiors. I admit, I have not tried them all, but from the research they seem to fall short of getting clean window data AND a well lit interior.

My favorite work flow is still to use Enfuse via the LR/Enfuse plug-in. I create a 'dark' image from 2-3 images, a lite images from 2-3 images, and then a full AEB image from all of them. Then, I open them in PS as Layers and bring them together. I'll be honest, I look forward to the day when a program can duplicate what I get from my work flow. It will save me so much time.

Of course, a landscape HDR is a whole different story. Usually those are much easier to blend in PM or PS or any number of programs.


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Jan 06, 2011 09:33 |  #7

bunyarra wrote in post #11375766 (external link)
From initial playing, the de-ghosting is very usable and the align works effectively now.

Definitely not an app for those who like the "clown puke" effects but for those looking for natural toning.

Interesting. My perceptions are the exact opposite.

The deghosting feature, at least on moving flora and fauna, is the worst of any hdr app I've tried. The semi-manual feature in photomatix is far better.

And the ability to easily create overly-tonemapped images far exceeds photomatix. Put it in the Auto mode and move the single slider. It's that easy.


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Jan 06, 2011 15:42 |  #8

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And the ability to easily create overly-tonemapped images far exceeds photomatix. Put it in the Auto mode and move the single slider. It's that easy.

I am so very puzzled what you are doing here :)

There is no "Auto Mode" in Oloneo. Select the Advanced Local Tone Mapper and slide the TM Strength to about 60-70. Don't touch the Detail Strength unless you want the Clown Puke.

Then adjust the Detail size and Detail threshold - 6-8 5DII images tonemapped in about 14 seconds ; less time than other apps take to even load the RAWs.

I've just finished a commercial shoot with 500+ interior images. After an hour, I had triaged them down and had 20+ excellently blended images that now need minor Photoshop/Viveza work.

The ghosting is interesting indeed - I think they need a tweak on the algorithm. One of the two ghosting methods work well for me in 60% or so of situations. It is especially good for crowd scenes and weak on foliage.

I've got Photomatix, HDR Expose, 32float, SNS, Oloneo, HDR Efex, LR/Enfuse. PTGUI and HDR Photo Pro in my s/w toolkit (an addiction .. I know!). Of these, I now generally find only SNS and Oloneo used for paying images. PTGUI gets wheeled out for stitched HDR panos and works rather well (often used with my 17mm/24mm TS-E's). 32float in an emergency when all else fails (I find CS5's deghosting best of all and 32float ideal for the resulting 32bit file tonemapping)

But, as with all things, different people like different tools and, just because I find Photomatix's interface and processing poor certainly does not mean others will.

I'll just try to use what I find the best tools for any job - never precious about these things as this is a commercially daft thing to do :)


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Jan 06, 2011 15:56 |  #9

TGrundvig wrote in post #11580241 (external link)
How does it handle really HDR shots, like real estate interiors at mid day?

So far, I'm still not overly impressed with most HDR programs for RE interiors. I admit, I have not tried them all, but from the research they seem to fall short of getting clean window data AND a well lit interior.

Again, I can only speak for my own experience. Oloneo is the first app I try for my commercial interiors. Unlike many, it will usually give me clean white window frames without me needing to use a separate flash to fill in when taking window shots (often not possible either)

If it fails to restrain the highlights, then I'll use SNS-HSR as that has the best micro-controls for tonemapping I have found.

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Jan 06, 2011 17:56 |  #10

now i'm new to photography but i don't see how they can claim their program loads faster than others. speed is determined more by the hardware rather than the software. if you have an intel core duo (two cores), your computer will process slower, no matter what program you use, compared to a computer with an i7-980 (6 real cores+ 6 virtual cores).


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Jan 06, 2011 20:25 |  #11

Picture North Carolina wrote in post #11584613 (external link)
Put it in the Auto mode and move the single slider. It's that easy.

bunyarra wrote in post #11586864 (external link)
There is no "Auto Mode" in Oloneo.

Here you go. As I said in my post, a single slider. Follow the arrows. If you still have trouble finding the auto tone mapping mode, let me know - I'll try to type out detailed directions for you. ;) :)
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Jan 06, 2011 20:45 |  #12

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REALLY? :rolleyes:

And the point of this is what?

The poster said they are 'new to photography', have a little more understanding.


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Jan 06, 2011 21:30 |  #13

LOL. Sorry, couldn't resist. Clown Puke (external link).


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Jan 07, 2011 02:53 |  #14

Picture North Carolina wrote in post #11588677 (external link)
Here you go. As I said in my post, a single slider. Follow the arrows. If you still have trouble finding the auto tone mapping mode, let me know - I'll try to type out detailed directions for you. ;) :)
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Ok - corrected. Now follow what I said .. I can provide more detailed instructions if you like ;)

[I guess I never understand why would anyone would use an auto mode on any app and judge it accordingly .. it's like using the green mode on a DSLR .... oh well, live and learn. I'll look at such items in the future]


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Jan 07, 2011 09:29 |  #15

Gary McDuffie wrote in post #11588887 (external link)
The point is what? Read what he said. That's like saying a Mustang will out run a lawn mower. Ok, a little exaggeration, but the point is the same. Of course an i7 is going to run circles around a duo-core.

His point was never about the computer, but about how he doesn't understand how this software was that much faster than others. The processor comment was just a statement. One stated in a way that everyone would understand. The poster wasn't trying to educate anyone with that statement, just state the obvious. The poster was trying to get an understanding of how this program could claim to be so much faster than others. Do you have an explanation for that? Because that was the question.

Your response to the question goes against the forum rules. ;)


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