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70-200f/2.8IS mk2 bokeh inferior to mk1??? hmm

 
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Dec 02, 2010 23:13 |  #1

I've seen some people mentioning that their beloved 70-200 f/2.8IS mk2 has the same bokeh to mk1......i say NOT.

Yesterday I did some tests in my neighbourhood using my 5dmk2, 70-200 mk2 and a combination of ambient only and some fill flash.

I will say I am extremely happy with the insane sharpness/contrast wideopen with the mk2. However I am still extremely pleased with my former mk1.

I wont justify my $$beans$$ buying this lens. I am merely stating that with my experience with both version I will say mk1 ALWAYS had creamy bokeh regardless of contrast in the background.

When the background has little clutter the bokeh of mk2 is CREAMY/DREAMY but unfortunately I wont say that with many photos with a busy background.

I'm not nit picking just telling my views on the bokeh. In this photo this photo exhibits an interesting bokeh pattern.

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However in this photo the bokeh is dreamy

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This white lens is simply a tool. I love the versatility aswell as the ridiculous sharpness at f/2.8 wideopen. Shot after shot the accuracy was absolutely accurate and targeted quickly. Regardless of the "sharper" bokeh of the mk2 I still think its pleasing for the most part.

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Dec 02, 2010 23:24 |  #2

Here are some of mine from the weekend using ver II.

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IMAGE: http://www.bobbyzphotography.com/img/s10/v16/p90965088-5.jpg

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Dec 02, 2010 23:27 |  #3

Nice work, Bobby. Love the last one.


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Dec 02, 2010 23:30 |  #4

it's definitely weird how the bokeh is sharp as well. LOL


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Dec 02, 2010 23:33 as a reply to  @ twoshadows's post |  #5

To make an accurate comparision of bokeh between lenses and cameras you need to have the same focal length, aperture and camera to subject distance..


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Dec 02, 2010 23:34 |  #6

yo bobby what lighting did you use?? ambient only?

#3 has a tighter crop above her head.....hey you stealin my thread LOL!!!

Seriously the mk2 has sharper bokeh. Marlon has mentioned to me he's noticed the 24L exhibits a more pleasing bokeh vs the sharper bokeh of mk2.

This seems similar to the 70-200 mk1 vs mk2.

Most people/clients are not as critical.


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Dec 02, 2010 23:34 |  #7

yogestee wrote in post #11386615 (external link)
To make an accurate comparision of bokeh between lenses and cameras you need to have the same focal length, aperture and camera to subject distance..

yes no doubt. However I can look at all of my mk1 pics and I dont have sharp bokeh.


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Dec 02, 2010 23:45 as a reply to  @ AlanU's post |  #8

Please define "sharp bokeh"??

Bokeh is the term ued to describe the quality not quantity of background blur.. It's also very subjective..To have sharp background blur is physically impossible..


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Dec 02, 2010 23:49 |  #9

yogestee wrote in post #11386651 (external link)
Please define "sharp bokeh"??

Bokeh is the term ued to describe the quality not quantity of background blur.. It's also very subjective..To have sharp background blur is physically impossible..

please look at the father and son pic. The house in the background is kinda odd. Besides technical jargon regarding bokeh I think the background is not as creamy/smooth.


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Dec 02, 2010 23:57 |  #10

AlanU wrote in post #11386667 (external link)
please look at the father and son pic. The house in the background is kinda odd. Besides technical jargon regarding bokeh I think the background is not as creamy/smooth.

Compared to what??


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Dec 03, 2010 00:11 |  #11

yogestee wrote in post #11386687 (external link)
Compared to what??

mk1


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Dec 03, 2010 00:13 |  #12

Different distances from subject and different focal lengths will affect how the blur looks. Without the two lenses side by side with the same subject at the same distance at the same focal length, etc, you can't really make a judgment.


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Dec 03, 2010 00:27 |  #13

themadman wrote in post #11386745 (external link)
Different distances from subject and different focal lengths will affect how the blur looks. Without the two lenses side by side with the same subject at the same distance at the same focal length, etc, you can't really make a judgment.

True enough. Perhaps if I have an abundance of time I'll test my mk1 (sold to friend) with the mk2.

I hope I'm just being overly critical.


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Dec 03, 2010 00:35 |  #14

Yes indeed. You need to test both lenses at the same time, same mm, same place, same aperture and compare. I'll bet bokehs are about the same for both versions.


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Dec 03, 2010 06:51 |  #15

I think the difference is that the MKII is probably contrastier and has more saturated color. Backgrounds are not as "in the background".


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