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Is the end of bracketing for HDR nearing?

 
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Dec 03, 2010 15:32 |  #1

HDR scenes need to be bracketed just because otherwise, while preserving the highlights, noise appears in the deep shadows eliminating textures.

As long as camera sensors become less noisy, doing several shots at different exposure values will become unnecessary to capture all the scene's DR. Is that time nearing?

A new Sony sensor has recently appeared. It is used on some cameras such as the Pentax K5, Nikon D7000 and Sony A580. This sensor happens to have an amazing DR at low ISO (ISO80/100), specially for being an APS-C sensor.

I did some noise measurements and calculated DR of the Pentax K5 vs some Canons:

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At low ISO the Pentax has nearly 2 stops of DR over the Canon 5D Mark II FF camera. At high ISO it performs like any modern APS-C such as the 7D.

Just an example, this ISO80 shot was 6 stops underexposed on a Pentax K5 (left: camera display). After correcting that underexposure in the RAW development a valid image appears (right):

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I have estimated that a FF camera with such a technology would have a 38Mpx sensor providing 12 stops effective DR. To put this figure into real world, 12 stops is exactly the DR of this challenging scene that could be captured with such a camera in a single shot, still providing acceptable noise in the deep shadows while preserving the views through the windows:

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Some users argue that doing several shots is a requirement to talk about HDR imaging. This is wrong. The only reason for doing several captures is noise. So the day a camera can capture a high dynamic range scene in a single shot we will still be talking about HDR and about tone mapping, since that part of the HDR process will remain intact because of the limited DR of the output devices (paper, monitor, projector).

So HDR techniques and programs such as Photomatix will have exactly the same role as they have today (tone mapping challenging scenes). They will simply work from a single file instead of from a bracketed series of shots. The mess to do several shots and fuse them, the alignment issues and ghosting problems because of moving elements will belong to the past. Mapping the captured HDR info onto the output device will remain.

The complete noise and DR measurement tutorial here (Spanish): http://www.guillermolu​ijk.com/tutorial/noise​dr/index.htm (external link).

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Dec 04, 2010 07:57 |  #2

Wow, thanks for the information!
I always find your web site is a great technical resource.
I actually like the technical aspects of photography also.
Though, I am, and probably never will understand it all, I try.
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Dec 04, 2010 09:27 |  #3

"The only reason for doing several captures is noise."
Really? - and I always thought it was to capture a wider range of luminance, Further, I thought noise was a factor of "processing" low light exposures.
Regardless, it is a great read. Thanks for making some of us think about the science.
Perhaps by the time these cameras are mainstream, trendy HDRIs would have gone the way of lens flares and vignettes.




  
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Dec 04, 2010 09:51 as a reply to  @ Spike44's post |  #4

The DR of camera will inevitably increase and I truly hope to see a device that will retain sufficient DR that will result in being able to tonemap a room with a single image. The hours that will be saved ...

You are dead right Guillermo though the timescale will be 5 years+ I think. We need at least one more generation of cameras like the 5DII before we get shadows acceptable for commercial work. I do, however, feel the vendors will be chasing ISO more than DR ; most consumers care little about the latter but have been told the former is important.


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Dec 04, 2010 10:36 as a reply to  @ bunyarra's post |  #5

Is the Sony sensor achieving the expanded DR by multiple pixels per image site (like the Fuji chip)?


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Dec 04, 2010 14:37 |  #6

bunyarra wrote in post #11393744 (external link)
I do, however, feel the vendors will be chasing ISO more than DR ; most consumers care little about the latter but have been told the former is important.

Precisely this new Sony sensor seems clearly focused on improving DR at low ISO, rather than noise at high ISO (in fact, at ISO1600 is far from being an impressive APS-C sensor).

I hope this trend goes on. Camera makers should think about all possible customers, both high ISO shooters and tripod photographers.

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Is the Sony sensor achieving the expanded DR by multiple pixels per image site (like the Fuji chip)?

No, it's a regular sensor. It has taken 6 years to match Fuji Super CCD's DR on a conventional APS-C sensor.

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Dec 05, 2010 01:17 |  #7

Very interesting read. Now you've got my mind racing. I wanna test this out sometime. :)


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Dec 05, 2010 09:05 |  #8

Good points.

In fact, often we see people write in this forum that "that's not HDR. It's one tonemapped image."

But HDR means high dynamic range, and if a photo contains a high dynamic range, then it's fair to call it HDR.

With Raw you often can get it all. It's just not easy.


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