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Dec 06, 2010 09:18 |  #1

Having a really tough time making up my mind about the TS-E 45mm or TS-E 90mm. I should mention, I'm more interested in a TS-E for the Tilt Selective Focus feature, not the Shift Perspective Correction. I'm not trying to correct lines with architecture or anything like that.

Is Tilt more useful for Close-ups or Wider shots? Also looking at The Digital Pictures comparison charts... it looks like the 90mm is sharper than the 45mm. I'm not one to obsess over sharpness, but something to consider.

Anyone shooting creatively with these have any input that would help me. I'll probably pick one up sometime next week, and after a lot of thought I'm no closer to reaching any sort of decision.


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Dec 06, 2010 09:38 |  #2

realmike15 wrote in post #11403779 (external link)
Having a really tough time making up my mind about the TS-E 45mm or TS-E 90mm. I should mention, I'm more interested in a TS-E for the Tilt Selective Focus feature, not the Shift Perspective Correction. I'm not trying to correct lines with architecture or anything like that.

Is Tilt more useful for Close-ups or Wider shots? Also looking at The Digital Pictures comparison charts... it looks like the 90mm is sharper than the 45mm. I'm not one to obsess over sharpness, but something to consider.

Anyone shooting creatively with these have any input that would help me. I'll probably pick one up sometime next week, and after a lot of thought I'm no closer to reaching any sort of decision.

All I can is, after renting both a couple of times I decided to go with the 45mm. I wanted it mostly for small product photography but also for the ocassional creative excursion on my 5DII (I use my 60D for product work). The deciding factor for me was that the 45mm gave me more options b/c it takes both 1.4x and 2x TC's quite well. So I can get to 90mm if I need it - but I'm not stuck there. BTW - I using the cheep Kenko-Tokina Teleplus MC7 2X TC.

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(the EXIF says 45mm b/c the Kenko TC doesn't report like the higher end TC's)

And FWIW, there are rumors that both these TS-E's will be replaced next year by Ver. II, just like the 17 & 24 TS-E's were replaced this year.


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Dec 06, 2010 09:41 |  #3

24Peter wrote in post #11403870 (external link)
And FWIW, there are rumors that both these TS-E's will be replaced next year by Ver. II, just like the 17 & 24 TS-E's were replaced this year.

Yea, I did hear about this. It sounds like it could be a while, so I think I'll get a TS-E now and if the new one is that much better... I can always sell and upgrade later.


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Dec 06, 2010 09:59 |  #4

They're such different focal lengths, I'm surprised that you're having the dilemma.

No experience with the 45, but the 90 is ridiculously sharp and I find tilt to be useful at close and long focusing distances. Using tilt to minimize focus along a plane, resulting in the miniature effect, is fun but novelty wears off quickly. If you're in it for that, I'd say to fake it in Photoshop and save the money. Using tilt to maximize focus along a desired plane is where these lenses show their worth. I don't have too many TS-E photos up on flickr, but you're welcome to sift through - http://www.flickr.com …s/whyfinyc/tags​/tse90f28/ (external link)


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Dec 06, 2010 10:04 |  #5

It's a pretty sure bet that both the 45mm and 90mm will be updated soon.... although exactly when is anyone's guess. And, you can bet that the new versions will be substantially more expensive than the current versions.

Based upon the design of the two new lenses, the main thing to expect with the new versions is that the lens will have dual rotating assemblies.

The current versions of these lenses have a single rotation plane, allowing the lens to be rotated and oriented as needed, such as to switch from rise/fall shift to right/left shift. However, from the factory the shift and tilt functions are 90 degrees out of phase with each other. It's possible to send the lens in to Canon service and have them aligned, if you wish. But it's a relatively permanent change and not easily switched back.

The Mark II versions of the lenses add another rotational plane feature, so the user can either align or deliberately misalign shift and tilt, as needed and right there on location, with a simple press of a button and turn of the lens.

If using the lenses for small items and table top work, you might choose based upon the camera you'll be using. On a full frame camera, you might select the 90mm. On a crop, the 45mm works great. One of the key considerations with this type of work is a focal length that allows you to reach out and rearrange small items while keeping your eye to the viewfinder. If you tend to work with a tethered laptop and have room for more working distance, this might not be as important a consideration.


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Dec 06, 2010 10:11 |  #6

WhyFi wrote in post #11403955 (external link)
They're such different focal lengths, I'm surprised that you're having the dilemma.

No experience with the 45, but the 90 is ridiculously sharp and I find tilt to be useful at close and long focusing distances. Using tilt to minimize focus along a plane, resulting in the miniature effect, is fun but novelty wears off quickly. If you're in it for that, I'd say to fake it in Photoshop and save the money. Using tilt to maximize focus along a desired plane is where these lenses show their worth. I don't have too many TS-E photos up on flickr, but you're welcome to sift through - http://www.flickr.com …s/whyfinyc/tags​/tse90f28/ (external link)

I'm going for selective focus, not a miniature effect. I know the Tilt can create this effect, but using it doesn't always create a miniature effect. The reason I can't decide has a lot to do with the reasons I stated above. I don't know if using the Tilt effect is more desirable with Close-Ups or Wider shots. If it were a 45mm or 90mm Prime I think the decision would be easier... but when you add Tilt-Shift into the mix, focal length is no longer a simple decision.


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Dec 06, 2010 10:47 as a reply to  @ Mundty's post |  #7

I have been itching to get a TS-E lens. I really hope to some day own both the 17 and the 24 II. some day


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Dec 06, 2010 10:50 |  #8

I guess that I'm lost at "more desirable," but the effect can be pronounced either way, near or far.


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Dec 06, 2010 11:23 |  #9

The 90 is one of Canon's sharpest lenses ever. The 45 is the "worst" Canon T/S in terms of IQ. The 90 does great macro work.


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Dec 06, 2010 11:44 |  #10

gasrocks wrote in post #11404413 (external link)
The 90 is one of Canon's sharpest lenses ever. The 45 is the "worst" Canon T/S in terms of IQ. The 90 does great macro work.

The above should weigh in your decision.
The 90 is wonderful and, in my opinion, allows more use of the tilt feature up close. Figure you plane of focus hinge on the 90 is about 24 inches below the camera and the 45 is 12 inches.


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Dec 06, 2010 12:43 |  #11

tough decision !

you need to decide if you want to shoot landscape more or portraits more.
it seems tse90 has better sharpness but 45 is better for environmental portraits.


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Dec 06, 2010 12:50 |  #12

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tough decision !

you need to decide if you want to shoot landscape more or portraits more.
it seems tse90 has better sharpness but 45 is better for environmental portraits.

That was sort of my thinking. I can't imagine wanting to Tilt the Focus Plane on a tightly cropped portrait throwing part of the person's face OOF. On the other hand with environmental portraits, Tilt could be helpful in creating some extra subject isolation.


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Dec 06, 2010 12:52 |  #13

24 for shift
90 for tilt
45 in the middle


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Dec 06, 2010 13:02 |  #14

What are you trying to take picture of? The 90 is great for product/macro/food type stuff, but I am sure it works for people as well.


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Dec 06, 2010 13:48 |  #15

realmike15 wrote in post #11403779 (external link)
Is Tilt more useful for Close-ups or Wider shots?

Tilt is more critical as one decreases the distance of the camera to the desired focal plane. In the following tilt table, notice that the 90mm focal length lens is really quite sensitive to adjusting the tilt angle and runs out of tilt adjustment (max 8 degrees) at 25 inches above the focal plane.

http://www.fototime.co​m/C3AAFA55AF0E6FD/orig​.jpg (external link)

The opposite is true for the 17 TSE as hardly any tilt is used at all until you get within 2 feet of the focal plane.
The 90 TSE is often used for product shots, food presentations, and flower shots. This lens tilt works equally well for close or distant images, it is critically dependent upon the camera's height above the focal plane.
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