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Dec 11, 2010 13:39 |  #1

I have heard from different people that when you frame with glass you should never use a gloss paper because of increased reflections and that only a luster or matt should be used?

Any insight on this is appreciated

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Dec 12, 2010 09:49 |  #2

Not true. And framing gloss under glass helps reduce any metamerism or bronzing issues your printer/paper combination may suffer from.


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Dec 12, 2010 09:55 |  #3

Thnx, ChasP505

but isn't reflections an issue or should you use a certain glass perhaps?



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Dec 12, 2010 10:16 |  #4

Framing a glossy print under glass, may -- if the print is in direct contact with the glass, rather than separated from it by a matte surround -- result in the phenomenon known as Newton Rings, which is a rainbow like interference pattern. That is why one can buy anti-Newton glass, which has a subtle textured surface on the side facing the print.


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Dec 12, 2010 10:23 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #5

If you're concerned about reflections, you can get Museum glass (external link). It's pretty pricey stuff though.


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Dec 12, 2010 10:24 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #6

A properly matted and framed photo will have a small gap between the print and the glass so the glass isn't in contact with the print. And always give at least a week for the print to fully dry before framing.


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Dec 12, 2010 14:12 |  #7

I use non-glare glass. It is better than regular glass and is not overly pricey.


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Dec 12, 2010 14:19 |  #8

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I use non-glare glass. It is better than regular glass and is not overly pricey.

Depending on the context - for framed prints that I am selling, I used non-glare museum glass for the benefit of the customer.

But, for framed prints that will be hung in public, (contest, gallery, exhibition, etc) I use the absolute cheapest, most reflective window glass I can find, in order to maximize reflections as much as possible.

See, when you look at a framed print, most reflections will seem to disappear from the viewer's awareness, BUT when someone takes a picture of my print, then the reflection is all they get.

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Dec 12, 2010 15:13 |  #9

Radtech1 wrote in post #11439483 (external link)
See, when you look at a framed print, most reflections will seem to disappear from the viewer's awareness, BUT when someone takes a picture of my print, then the reflection is all they get.

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Dec 13, 2010 09:14 |  #10

navydoc wrote in post #11438400 (external link)
If you're concerned about reflections, you can get Museum glass (external link). It's pretty pricey stuff though.

My son had a set of frames made with museum glass. Very expensive and I was not impressed at all.

I'd rather reprint my pictures when they start to fade away than put any sort of glass over them.




  
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Dec 13, 2010 10:59 |  #11

It's a personal preference.... I make matte prints for the crisper detail they offer, then frame them under standard picture glass, which is not "non glare" glass.

I used to do matting and framing for a living, a few years ago. All photos should be matted if being displayed under glass. This is to create an air space between the print and the surface of the glass. If you don't to that, the print will stick to the glass eventually, and will be ruined if it's ever removed, can even be damaged just by the direct contact.

So, when there is an air space thanks to the matting, non-glare glass will lose even more fidelity in the image. I don't like the stuff (neither do museums, for that matter!)

Glossy paper, on the other hand, is less delicate than matte finish. And it generally gives deeper blacks and slightly richer colors, but at the cost of some fine detail.

Go to a museum displaying photos and see how they display valuable photos...


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Dec 13, 2010 11:41 |  #12

picworx wrote in post #11434359 (external link)
I have heard from different people that when you frame with glass you should never use a gloss paper because of increased reflections and that only a luster or matt should be used?

Any insight on this is appreciated.

If you use ordinary glazing (picture glass or acrylic) there will be reflections, but it will be the same reflections as on the glossy print. So whatever angle control you can use at the display location (or whatever position the viewers have to take to view it without reflection) will work for both coincidentally.

This kind of makes the issue a toss-up. Matte-surface prints lose overall contrast and the appearance of acutance compared to glossy because the rougher surface actually broadens the glare across the entire print regardless of the angle of viewing or lighting. Etched non-glare glazing does the same thing.

A glossy print under regular glass, OTOH, will at least give you maximum image contrast and acutance at the right lighting/viewing angle--but a harsh glare at the wrong lighting/viewing angle.

Take your choice of poison...or...

Make a glossy print and put it under "museum glass" (which comes in glass or acrylic) for the optimum combination...but as usual, "optimum" is "pricey."


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