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Dec 12, 2010 23:23 |  #1

Hey all,
Mirror lenses were brought to my attention recently, and got me to start to look into them. They are fairly cheap, especially the ones at B&H, but I was wondering if they are any good.

What I know:
Constant aperture
Manual focus
Probably not as sharp?
Different bokeh

That and being a 500mm in a small size is attractive for possibly an effect lens. I shoot weddings, and thought this might be a low cost addition to add a unique look.

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Dec 12, 2010 23:33 |  #2

Bryan,, mirror lenses have lost favour over the decades.. A friend used to have a Nikkor 500mm f/8.. I used to borrow it for shooting surfing pics and it was a sharp as a pin.. Focusing can be a problem in anything less than sunny conditions because of the set f/8 aperture..

Some people love the doughnut shaped out of focus highlights, others don't.

I think buying cheap, you'd be disappointed unless you can get a Nikkor and adapt it to your Canon..


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Dec 13, 2010 03:21 |  #3

The ones shown on the B & H page are not very sharp at all, they are mostly korean made.
You'll get better results from the camera manufacturer versions and those produced by the more reputable lens manufactures such as Sigma, Tamron and Tokina.

Here is a thread we started a while back.
https://photography-on-the.net …hlight=poor+man​%27s+500mm


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Dec 13, 2010 06:08 |  #4

Look on ebay for a genuine Canon 500mm f/8 reflex (mirror) lens. You can pick one up for around $200 bucks or so. This lens, in its day, was considered to be the sharpest ever 500 mirror; even by the Nikon crowd. I have one that I simply removed the FD mount and replaced it with a EF mount with a focus confirmation chip. It provides great range with compact size.

It's a VERY easy conversion, and there is no glass in the adaptor to foul IQ. Most f/8 mirror lenses focus well past infinity, so the mount swap gives full focusing ability. I've owned the lens pictured since the early 1980's, and when I went digital, adapted it because I like the long range and light weight. This lens is VERY sharp, just as it was on my old Canon A-1 film camera.


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Dec 13, 2010 08:53 |  #5

Any tutorial or pics on how to remove the mount? I have an old FD 500mm that I'd like to adapt without glass :)


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Dec 13, 2010 08:59 |  #6

those lens are probably designed for hobby astronomy:) i saw some pictures from one of those mirror lens and it was quite sharp, but the bokeh was awful. so, if you want to make pictures of moon or sun or jupiter:) or somthing like that, it is good low cost solution


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Dec 13, 2010 09:15 |  #7

If you plan on shooting weddings with it you should know that they are VERY slow.. I have an MTO 500mm which was made bythe USSR. I bought an M39 mount for mine. (It might not be the same mount you need for yours.) I really like it for casual use, but I doubt I would use it on a job.


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Dec 13, 2010 09:52 |  #8

skyd123 wrote in post #11443694 (external link)
but the bokeh was awful.

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Dec 13, 2010 10:03 |  #9

Sirrith wrote in post #11443676 (external link)
Any tutorial or pics on how to remove the mount? I have an old FD 500mm that I'd like to adapt without glass :)

I wish I had taken photos of the conversion. It's actually very simple to remove the FD mount complete. If you look closely, you'll see a small pin on th FD mount. Push that in, and the lock ring will rotate and reveal 3 small phillips screws. Remove those, and that's it! No kidding, it's that easy, as there is no aperture linkage in the 500 reflex.


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Dec 13, 2010 10:08 |  #10

Among the best mirror (catadioptric or "cat") lenses I've used over the years were the Tamron SP. They made two: 500mm f8 and a 350mm f5.6. Very close focusing (5 feet). Well made. Good IQ for that type of lens. Nice color rendition and contrast. The 350mm is much less common, the 500mm is pretty easy to find. If you get one, try to get it with all the accessories that were originally supplied: a tripod mounting ring, set of filters including a couple neutral denstity, lens hood.

These are Adaptall2 lenses, with interchangeable mounts. Very easy to adapt for use on just about any camera. The mounts are still being made in China, if you have trouble finding an original one to fit Canon EF. Plus you can get chipped adapters for use with Canon EOS cameras. (I have a manual focus Tamron SP 90mm f2.5 macro lens adapted for use on EOS/EF).

Many other Cats are "T-Mount" lenses, which are also easily interchanged.

You need specular highlights in the OOF area to get the "donut" effect shown above. Otherwise the lens will simply act like a long telephoto with a fixed aperture (variable with filters only in most cases, although I know of a couple that used Waterhouse stops)... rendering shallow depth of field. In fact the Tamrons have lovely bokeh, aside from the "donuts". I had some scanned film images that were made with this lens, but a quick search only found this one thumbnail from around ten years ago, so far... if I can find more I'll upload additional examples.

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Orange Canna Aglow. Tamron 500mm f8 "Cat" or mirror lens. Ektachrome 200 slide film. A backlit subject with no specular highlights makes for a very nice bokeh. This lens focuses incredibly closely... to about 5 feet.

I hope you are shooting in large churches, or have a lot of working distance outdoors, in order to use a 500mm lens! Most Cat lenses are that length or even longer. It's rare to find a 250, 300 or 350mm. Cat lenses are compact for their focal lengths... That's the whole point, they use a series of mirrors to "fold" the path of the light coming throught the lens.

And, I agree... Your viewfinder will be pretty dark with the f8 lenses. If you get a chipped adapter, AF will likely just barely work (focus confirmantion only, of course... since they are manual focus lenses).

I'm not familiar with the Canon FD mirror lens mentioned above. I used around a half dozen different Cats over the years and always thought the Tamron the best of the bunch. I only reluctantly sold it when I switched to Canon system in 2001.... but as a consolation I was getting the 500/4 IS instead ;). I also noticed that the Nikkor 500/8 mirror being offered in the 80s (and 90s ?) bore a striking similarity to the Tamron... Look identical in many respects, except for some minor cosmetic differences such as the rubber grip on the focus ring. That was back in the days when Nikon still swore they made all their own lenses! I never knew for sure, but suspected the Nikkor was a rebranded Tamron.... not really a bad thing since the Tamron was so good.

There were also some top quality Vivitar Series 1 Cat lenses... Some or all of those were based on a well respected earlier Elmer Perkins design. There was also a very popular Sigma, 600mm if I recall.

There were also a lot of what I'd call "junk" mirror lenses, el cheapos made all over the world.

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Dec 13, 2010 10:13 |  #11

Most of them have a mirror inside, if you open the lens the mirror may be useful for makeup or applying sunscreen. The rest of the lens can be used as a pencil holder.


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Dec 13, 2010 12:57 as a reply to  @ luigis's post |  #12

My sigma mirror is for sale. In San Diego. 95$ If you are interested.


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Dec 13, 2010 13:15 as a reply to  @ pyrojim's post |  #13

We had an older FD-mount Makinon (I think?) for our A-1 and AE-1, and it was a pretty fun lens as long as you used it within its performance envelope. I recall it being fairly inexpensive. It was never tack-sharp, but had decent contrast and pretty good color. For the general landscape-ish stuff we were doing then, it worked out okay.

The bokeh kept making me hungry, though. Mmmm, dooonuuutttts. :D

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Dec 13, 2010 13:44 |  #14

Mirror lenses didn't have any meaning with aps-c ... too noisy with high iso .. and you need at least 1/1000 @ F8 to get sharpest pictures ..
But will full frame, it's a very good walk around lens, because they can get rather sharp pictures @ 3200 or 4000 iso...

I have put many samples in this topic already (in page 1 and 2)

https://photography-on-the.net …t=956397&highli​ght=mirror

Only a few mirror lenses can be adapted to EOS mount (without additionel lens) and has got an acceptable sharpness, colors rendition and micro contrast :

- Tamron Tokina, Leica/Minolta, Olympus ... and that's almost all

You will need a new generation AF confirm chip to get comfortable ..


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Dec 13, 2010 14:06 |  #15

These are fun lenses. But they are almost impossible to use on modern DSLR's.

I would NEVER put a mirror lens on my camera if I wanted to take professional quality photos.

NEVER.


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