The 42nd TPBM "Support Your Local Coffee Baker" Random Chat

Oh my... I'm soooooooooo sorry Cat.... (((((((((((((((HUGS)))​))))))))))))

Maybe can you do some 'visits' with Mama Bailee?? SO as not to struggle with Mary's feelings too much but to acknowledge that William needs some furry mamma time too?

GAH Cat!!! I am so sorry *hugs*

cfpackerfan wrote in post #11675268
*sigh*

This is so hard. Mary took Baylee for us while Wade and I were gone, and that's where the pups were born.
Mary is an excellent midwife for the dogs, and has helped birth several litters for us. She is good at what she does.

When we got home, and contacted her, she was concerned about the runts, and asked if when we took Baylee if she could keep William so that he wouldn't die.
I expressed my concern about him being away from his mama at only a few days old, but she insisted that he would most likely die without very concentrated attention and supplemental (actually total) bottle feeding.
I went against my gut instinct, and listened to the voice of experience, and ok'd it.

I didn't want William to be all alone, with no furry body to snuggle against, so I suggested that Mary also keep the smallest little girl too. She was doing ok, but was still struggling to eat against the bigger pups. (Eleven pups, eight nipples.. the little ones are going to struggle).

If I had brought her home with me, I would have still supplement bottle fed her, but she would have been with Baylee and her siblings.

Mary called this morning sobbing uncontrollably, and was very difficult to understand on the phone, but what I thought I heard was that William had died in the night, and Jane was dying. Not breathing, cold and lethargic.



I stayed in touch with Mary, and when it looked as though Jane might be ok, she took her to the vet. It was at that time that she said something about feeding William, and I realized the misunderstanding.
William was doing fine, and he was actually thriving.

The vet kept Jane for the day, got her temps up, and gave her some oxygen. They reported around noon that she was doing better, and had eaten.
They were going to send her home around 4:00, at which time she was going to come back here and be with Baylee and the other pups.

She died at the vet's office about 3:00.

*sigh*

You have no idea the amount of guilt I have over this. I went against my gut in the first place, knowing that the pups should have stayed with their mama. They need more from their mama than just food, ya know? I KNOW this.

The vet said that they believe that Jane aspirated some formula, and her little body just couldn't bounce back.

Sucks. Sucks. Sucks.

I very VERY much want to bring William here, but now am struggling with the 'you killed one puppy, give me the other one' message that will send to Mary.

SUCKS sucks sucks.

Cat, I am so sorry to hear about Jane. I would set up visits with William and Baylee, and see if you can keep him every other day, so he gets quality time with mom and his siblings. I know it is hard, but don't blame yourself, it is part of nature, and was not meant to be. God has other plans for her, and called her home.

Sorry all, I wasn't going to burden you all with that. Apologies.

*hugs* thanks for listening though.

short5 wrote in post #11673494
*hug*

Tanks for doing dis ting for meh.

thomascanty wrote in post #11673631
I'm still trying to find the right recipe to use this bottle of Dave's Ghost Pepper Sauce that I recently bought. It's supposed to be the hottest pepper on the planet. Maybe I should just waste it on a cheap frozen burrito... I don't think I'll actually be tasting much, anyway. There's no reason to waste any good food in this experiment...

Right?

Wrong, but just a little bit, like a small bowl, just as a sampler. Have your regular stuff ready for the rest of the pot, just in case.

misspix wrote in post #11673678
DYING here!

Pup heard the mail guy and started barking/baying like she does, running the length of the house to alert me to the danger... I thanked her properlly and she subsided, after which she needed to get a drink of water (I am sure her throat was terrible parched). I don't know what she heard, but it caused her Beagle Senses to go on alert, and she bark/bayed...INTO the water!!! HAHAHAHAHA!! Which then bubbled over the dish and made her jump and bark again!!!

Harm wrote in post #11673750
Jon, and there I was thinking that Zane was something out of the Incredibles with super powers,

He is.

dotTif wrote in post #11673822
At midnight when I turned 21 my brat boyfriend (now brat husband) insisted on ordering me my first drink. Without telling me what it was. If you want something that is spicy AND burns (but tastes freaking nasty ) get a shot of:

Prairie Fire:
3/4 part Everclear
1/4 Part Tabasco

That way it will open up all your pores and the burn the crap out of them

Gaaa! Everclear is the one that almost killed me. Party...Everclear and grape juice, in a cooler...didn't hit me until I was driving home...lane change....thank goodness the other lane honked loud and long. Back when I was in my 20's. Haven't touched it since.

Oh, and someone did mess with my side mirror so I never saw the other guy when I checked the mirror...but then again I wasn't in sober enough to figure out the mirror has been tilted almost all the way down.

Skrim17 wrote in post #11673997
Thanks Cat, my happy return of the day is WE GOT THE APARTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!​!!

WOOT!!!! Happy Anniversary indeed.

Skrim17 wrote in post #11674971
All the lawyers will huddle tomorrow or so, we still need to apply and have a face to face with the Board of the co-op, once they approve us we can close. They meet the third Thursday of each month, so we can't close until after that.

They countered our offer about 10k higher, we said thanks but our offer is really good and we will keep on looking and they said OK then, we'll take it!!

So that is tomorrow and good bargaining.

Permagrin wrote in post #11675208
CHRIS!! lol...google maps directions on how to get to Japan


31. Kayak across the Pacific Ocean
32. Continue straight


46. Kayak across the Pacific OceanEntering Japan

by the way, these are real instructions if you type in: U.S.A. as your location and Japan as your destination...

So, at 4:30 I had a hankering for Goulash, Chili Mac, Slumgolien or what ever you might call it in your region. I haven't made this since Curtis J. was home prior to going to college. Thankfully I had everything here as my staples and fixed it up. It was every bit the comfort food I remember as a kid.

cfpackerfan wrote in post #11675355
Sorry all, I wasn't going to burden you all with that. Apologies.

*hugs* thanks for listening though.

I'd been upset if you hadn't shared here.... Sending positive thoughts off to little William...

cfpackerfan wrote in post #11675268
SUCKS sucks sucks.

Oh, man, I just read the William story on FB before coming here. So sorry about Jane.

I would make the suggestion to bring William over and give him some time with Baylee to see how it goes. A caution, not that I really know but from what I've heard, it is possible Baylee will reject him having been separated this long. But the chance should be given. Have Mary stay a couple hours and see if he nurses and give him a chance to bond with Baylee and his litter mates.

If it goes well Mary might feel comfortable about leaving him with you.

So sorry to hear about that Cat!!!!

Sounds YUM, Becky!

dotTif wrote in post #11673822
At midnight when I turned 21 my brat boyfriend (now brat husband) insisted on ordering me my first drink. Without telling me what it was. If you want something that is spicy AND burns (but tastes freaking nasty ) get a shot of:

Prairie Fire:
3/4 part Everclear
1/4 Part Tabasco

That way it will open up all your pores and the burn the crap out of them

Of course, you make him suffer, in many small ways, for this transgression, yes?

Skrim17 wrote in post #11673997
Thanks Cat, my happy return of the day is WE GOT THE APARTMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!​!!

YAY!!!!!!!!!!

puddlepirate44 wrote in post #11674837
Want that I should come ovah dere and take dat out fer youse?

Tanks, I got it

Permagrin wrote in post #11675208
CHRIS!! lol...google maps directions on how to get to Japan


31. Kayak across the Pacific Ocean
32. Continue straight


46. Kayak across the Pacific OceanEntering Japan

by the way, these are real instructions if you type in: U.S.A. as your location and Japan as your destination...

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

cfpackerfan wrote in post #11675355
Sorry all, I wasn't going to burden you all with that. Apologies.

*hugs* thanks for listening though.

*hug* Cat, so sorry.

Becky N wrote in post #11675365
WOOT!!!! Happy Anniversary indeed.

So that is tomorrow and good bargaining.

It is tomorrow, but we don't have all of the information in to them yet and they require yet another credit check first.

On a plus note....
we have a Howie here.
He's sleeping right by my feet, and is such an awesome boy. SO mellow.

cfpackerfan wrote in post #11675268
*sigh*

This is so hard. Mary took Baylee for us while Wade and I were gone, and that's where the pups were born.
Mary is an excellent midwife for the dogs, and has helped birth several litters for us. She is good at what she does.

When we got home, and contacted her, she was concerned about the runts, and asked if when we took Baylee if she could keep William so that he wouldn't die.
I expressed my concern about him being away from his mama at only a few days old, but she insisted that he would most likely die without very concentrated attention and supplemental (actually total) bottle feeding.
I went against my gut instinct, and listened to the voice of experience, and ok'd it.

I didn't want William to be all alone, with no furry body to snuggle against, so I suggested that Mary also keep the smallest little girl too. She was doing ok, but was still struggling to eat against the bigger pups. (Eleven pups, eight nipples.. the little ones are going to struggle).

If I had brought her home with me, I would have still supplement bottle fed her, but she would have been with Baylee and her siblings.

Mary called this morning sobbing uncontrollably, and was very difficult to understand on the phone, but what I thought I heard was that William had died in the night, and Jane was dying. Not breathing, cold and lethargic.



I stayed in touch with Mary, and when it looked as though Jane might be ok, she took her to the vet. It was at that time that she said something about feeding William, and I realized the misunderstanding.
William was doing fine, and he was actually thriving.

The vet kept Jane for the day, got her temps up, and gave her some oxygen. They reported around noon that she was doing better, and had eaten.
They were going to send her home around 4:00, at which time she was going to come back here and be with Baylee and the other pups.

She died at the vet's office about 3:00.

*sigh*

You have no idea the amount of guilt I have over this. I went against my gut in the first place, knowing that the pups should have stayed with their mama. They need more from their mama than just food, ya know? I KNOW this.

The vet said that they believe that Jane aspirated some formula, and her little body just couldn't bounce back.

Sucks. Sucks. Sucks.

I very VERY much want to bring William here, but now am struggling with the 'you killed one puppy, give me the other one' message that will send to Mary.

SUCKS sucks sucks.

Sorry to hear about Jane, Cat...

sorry about the pup, Cat. That's really sad. I don't know how good traveling as a newborn pup would be. You probably should talk to your friend and see what is best, between the two of you. She's a friend. I would know you weren't blaming me. You're just not that type. You should talk.

cfpackerfan wrote in post #11675355
Sorry all, I wasn't going to burden you all with that. Apologies.

*hugs* thanks for listening though.

It is not a burden. We share the ups and downs with you.

cfpackerfan wrote in post #11675508
On a plus note....
we have a Howie here.
He's sleeping right by my feet, and is such an awesome boy. SO mellow.

Cool, Howie is adorable, can you give him some skritches for us.

Be back later. Gonna go sit in a hot tub with the door closed to see if the steam will help my sinuses.