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Dec 14, 2010 19:31 |  #1

I do shooting that almost always requires a CPL filter and can't have a downside even if I don't need one (unless I don't have enough light which is very rare - I have mostly fast prime lenses and two constant aperture zooms. The slowest lens I have is a 300mm f4 L.

The problem is that CPL filters are quite expensive (at least good ones - and it seems kind of ridiculous to put a cheap filter on a $2000+ lens).

Currently my largest filter size for the lenses I have is 77mm.

So how could I get the most use out of the least number of CPL filters?

My solution?

An 86mm metal screw-in lens hood. $12.95 on Ebay - free shipping!

Plus a bunch of cheap step-up rings. They may be cheap, but they fit, and they don't hold anything of value. So far I have no reason to doubt they should last forever (or longer than me, which is what's really all that's important) - LOL


It's not perfect since it causes some vignetting even on the 70=200.....but it works well when I'm above about 75mm. Since I use it mostly for sports, I don't find missing that shortest 5mm much of a problem.

I cannot use it on my 28mm prime no matter what (at least using the big hood).

On the other lenses it's fine - even my 70-210 Macro (not sure why it works better on that then the 70-200 - guess probably 'cause it's got a 67mm thread instead of a 77mm thread?)

But while not perfect on every lens,

The beauty of the big screw-in hood and all the step-up rings is I can use the one $200 CPL on almost every lens I have.
It looks the coolest (at least to me) on my 49mm threaded 50mm lens:

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Same lens with no hood ("snub nose .44 Magnum") :) :

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70-200 zoom with bayonet hood (no access to filter)

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Same lens with screw in 86mm hood - just turn hood and CPL goes with it (same as on all other lenses)

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Hood with some of the step up rings (average cost less than $1 each) - Filter not in pic since it's on the 300 I used today:

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Maybe this would be considered "splurging", but I had the Lens Coat Hoodies anyway and the small size for my 300 prime fits perfectly if I want to use it (which I do if I leave the lens on a tripod without a camera attached - just use the rear cap of whatever lens I switch to. And a white trash can liner to reflect some of the sun's heat.
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Other than not using a Canon lens hood, is there a way to effectively use a CPL filter? Did I go "overboard" for no reason?

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Dec 14, 2010 19:45 |  #2

nice! then just buy a big one :)


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Dec 14, 2010 21:08 |  #3

m.c.chavez wrote in post #11453604 (external link)
nice! then just buy a big one :)

Hey, I've been looking for a bigger one...got any leads?

All I could find were rectangular hoods for 70mm movie cameras - they wouldn't fit :(

D.


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Dec 14, 2010 23:14 |  #4

Yep, I considered this option a while ago but the vignetting.... that was my major concern.


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Dec 14, 2010 23:16 |  #5

^^ good idea unless you want to use the hood on a wide angle. I did this for a while as well :)


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Dec 15, 2010 02:37 |  #6
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Where did you find step-up rings that cheap?


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Dec 15, 2010 04:09 |  #7

Isn't the filter picking up any flares or such, because it's exposed like that ?

Beside the vignetting problem, that seems very good solution for quickaccess cpl!

This would be nice, if a person would have a lot of super telephoto lenses:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com …lar-Polarizer-Filter.aspx (external link)




  
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Dec 15, 2010 04:27 |  #8

very good idea!


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Dec 15, 2010 04:37 |  #9

For what it's worth, there should be plenty of used 49mm circular polarizers around, because the OM-4 had a semi-silvered mirror (just like an AF camera) and gave exposure errors with linear polarizers.




  
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Dec 15, 2010 04:49 |  #10

I keep meaning to get a screw in hood for my circular polarizer - I've tried the whole pushing your finger in around the hood and whilst it sort of works its a nightmare for longer lenses with deeper hoods and for shooting anything that is somewhat fast paced!


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Dec 15, 2010 05:18 |  #11

Very good idea. Should work a treat.


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Dec 15, 2010 05:59 |  #12

You could also have bought a 4x4 square CPL like this one http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …ular_Polarizer_​Glass.html (external link) and held it by hand in front of your lens or gotten a cheap holder set. Don't need to worry about any vignetting either.


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Dec 15, 2010 06:21 |  #13

Delija wrote in post #11453544 (external link)
Other than not using a Canon lens hood, is there a way to effectively use a CPL filter? Did I go "overboard" for no reason?

TIA

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Only you can know the answer to your question. Personally, I think that it would be a real PITA to have to deal with that many step rings along with an oversized hood. I also shoot with several Oly lenses on my 5D2...since 49mm polarizers are fairly inexpensive, its really not that big of a deal cost-wise to have one dedicated for those particular lenses. OTOH, you also could have gotten a straight 49-77 step ring and forego three or four of your rings, which would simplify things somewhat. My personal preference is to have a polarizer in each diameter for lenses that I would commonly use a polarizer with...saves quite a bit of hassle and fumbling with multiple rings.


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Dec 15, 2010 13:17 |  #14

turkleten wrote in post #11454630 (external link)
Yep, I considered this option a while ago but the vignetting.... that was my major concern.


Yeah, as I said, I can't use it on my 28mm lens - big - time vignetting!

anthony11 wrote in post #11455184 (external link)
Where did you find step-up rings that cheap?

Got some on Ebay and I bought a cheap "star" filter that came with a bunch of them. The only one that was more than a few dollars was the 72-77 ring. I got it at a local pro - shop, but it still wasn't more than something like $5 or so.

Combatmedic870 wrote in post #11454644 (external link)
^^ good idea unless you want to use the hood on a wide angle. I did this for a while as well :smile:

Yes, that's a problem, but hoods on UWA lenses are very shallow, so it's possible to get my fingers in and turn the CPL...but usually I just use a piece of cardboard or foam core and shade the subject if it's something like a flower in the sun - or use a cheap aftermarket screw-in hood.

Aleksihu wrote in post #11455377 (external link)
Isn't the filter picking up any flares or such, because it's exposed like that ?

Maybe I didn't make it clear...the filter is not at the front of the hood, it's at the rear - behind or between the appropriate step-up ring/rings.



Aleksihu wrote in post #11455377 (external link)
This would be nice, if a person would have a lot of super telephoto lenses:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com …lar-Polarizer-Filter.aspx (external link)

Yep, but as I said, right now my largest front thread is 77mm. Anything larger would use a drop in (as far as I know). I had a 300mm f2.8 when my son was playing minor league baseball..(used it with a 1.4x extender quite often) - amazing lens, but too expensive to justify keeping without a real need for it. They all have drop in filters which are great, but only work with the "big guns". Those filters are (I believe) all the same size (52mm), so ideal for pro sports photographers that have several super telephotos. Then again, $160 isn't much when you are buying a filter for a $10,000 lens. :)

melcat wrote in post #11455428 (external link)
For what it's worth, there should be plenty of used 49mm circular polarizers around, because the OM-4 had a semi-silvered mirror (just like an AF camera) and gave exposure errors with linear polarizers.

I'm still using an OM1 and an OM2 so I don't know if it has the same mirror as the OM4 - the polarizers I have for them are linear. And I am guessing that they are not as optically correct as the $180+ CPL I bought for my 300 and 70-200 zooms. And using a larger filter can't hurt (in fact it seems to give me better "fine tuning" since it's got a larger diameter. But mostly it's just a way of maximizing the use of an expensive filter.

TaDa wrote in post #11455567 (external link)
You could also have bought a 4x4 square CPL like this one http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …ular_Polarizer_​Glass.html (external link) and held it by hand in front of your lens or gotten a cheap holder set. Don't need to worry about any vignetting either.

I think the square holders would still need adapeters to fit each lens? But for a CPL, how would you rotate a square CPL? If holding it by hand in front of the lens, I already addressed that problem in the first post. I don't always use a tripod and I never do for "birding" - And with a long lens I need my left hand to held the lens - with a rotating hood I can do both with the left hand - steady the lens and rotate the CPL. It feels natural after using my left hand to hold and focus manual cameras for over 40 years..

argyle wrote in post #11455609 (external link)
OTOH, you also could have gotten a straight 49-77 step ring and forego three or four of your rings, which would simplify things somewhat. My personal preference is to have a polarizer in each diameter for lenses that I would commonly use a polarizer with...saves quite a bit of hassle and fumbling with multiple rings.

LOL...I actually do have other rings that make things more simple...I just stacked up a bunch to make the photo of them have a bit more impact. :) - In reality I can use one or two rings for each lens.

Ideally yes, having a separate size CPL for each lens would be ideal, but since I use mostly prime lenses, I have a lot of lenses (Canon EF, plus I do use a few of the Oly lenses when I can get by with taking the time to focus accurately using "live view" - almost always "still life" or posed shots with a tripod and cooperative subjects.

I have polarizing filters for each of the Oly Zuiko lenses, but they are linear, so are useless on a digital SLR. If I bought new CPL filters in each size and got the same high end B&W filters, I'd end up spending a ton of money - and there are some lenses I rarely actually need a CPL for - but this gives me the option if I do choose to use a CPL filter.

This 86mm hood seemed like a simple solution. It lets me use the 77mm filter on most lenses (other than wide angle - and I do have a few other CPL filters I use with those along with cheap screw in hoods which work fine. (Amazon sells "flower petal hoods that look jus tlike the bayonet hoods for almost every Canon lens - and the screw in rubber hoods are in every camera store).

My real need was for my 70-200 and 300 prime. I use them around the lake behind my house (tons of glare) for "birding" and the 70-200 lens' Canon hood makes using a CPL virtually impossible. The retractable hood on the 300 is a bit easier, but still, being able to turn the hood is a lot faster than turning the filter and then extending the hood. Things can change quickly with moving subjects.

The 86 mm hood was the answer for those two lenses (and for my 70-210 macro that only works in macro at the long end) -

So getting a few cheap rings just seemed like an easy and viable solution - and at $12.96 not a "risky" investment. (I actually prefer the metal hood to the flower petal plastic hoods Canon sends with the long "L" zoom lenses. The best solution is the drop in filters with the metal hoods on the even longer (and wider) lenses...The retractable hoods are convenient, but not great for using with a CPL.

I really DO wish I could find an even larger size so I would not get any vignetting with the 70-200 at the short end.

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Dec 16, 2010 02:16 |  #15

What I did was buy a 77mm for both my kit lens and my 55-250 lens, along with a step up ring. Thankfully I did because now I have the Tokina with a 77mm, and only need one CPL for all of them.

On a side note, I really like my Kenko filter from Japan found on eBay.


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