1d mark IV vs. 1ds mark III

I own the 1d mark III and the 1ds mark III. i am thinking about upgrading my 1d mark III to the 1d mark IV because i'd like more resolution when i'm shooting wildlife and sports.

but i'm wondering if the 1d mark IV could also take the place of the 1ds mark III?

how does the IQ and performance at higher ISOs stack up between the ID mark IV and the 1ds mark III?

thanx,

ed rader

The 1d4 is a 16.1mp cropped body while the 1ds3 is a 21.1mp FF. More resolution I think goes to the 1ds3. However, when it comes to the high iso, from what I have seen, the 1d4 is no slouch, but then again neither is the 1ds3

I'd try a search on here or google for high iso comparisons of the two.

I don't have either 1D's but there have been a few comments comparing the MK4 to the 5DII and it's apparently slightly behind the 5DII in high ISO noise performance. If that is the case, the 1DsIII and 1DMKIV should be about the same, in that respect, leaving the differences to sensor size and number of pixels.

ed rader wrote in post #11463116
how does the IQ and performance at higher ISOs stack up between the ID mark IV and the 1ds mark III?

Hey Ed, the 1D MKIV should handily beat both your MKIII's in the high ISO dept. I took a loaner out from CPS and was really impressed with the high ISO performance. IMO it was nicer than my 5D MKII's, and didn't display any of the banding I get at ISO 6400.

If you can live with just having the crop sensor, I don't see why you couldn't replace both of your MKIII's.

Threads like this... make me want to abandon financial responsibility and buy a 1D4...

Well, the 1d4 beats the 3 at all ISOs above 6400, that's for sure. it seems like everything is slightly better and then there's video as well if that interests you.

I have no idea if the IQ will satisfy you with respect to replacing the 1ds3 but I don't think I've heard of any unhappy upgraders that went from 1d3 to 1d4 so you could certainly do that and then evaluate for yourself whether you could consolidate.

themadman wrote in post #11463562
Threads like this... make me want to abandon financial responsibility and buy a 1D4...

I know what you mean.

Its like comparing EuroFighter typhoon with F22, both bodies are top in their respective D & Ds, but 1D4 will beat 1dsIII in FPS,ISO and 1.3X reach with added benefit of HD video so if you have cash to splash then think no further and buy 1d4 you will love it more than 1DsIII!

Ed, get the Mk IV and tell us!
I'm more interested to see what you end up thinking shooting them side by side.

timnosenzo wrote in post #11463556
Hey Ed, the 1D MKIV should handily beat both your MKIII's in the high ISO dept. I took a loaner out from CPS and was really impressed with the high ISO performance. IMO it was nicer than my 5D MKII's, and didn't display any of the banding I get at ISO 6400.

If you can live with just having the crop sensor, I don't see why you couldn't replace both of your MKIII's.

that's what i'm thinking Tim. i could keep the 1d3 as a back-up if i have a camera that can do everything. as you probably know the 1ds mark III isn't great at higher ISOs and that's a big deal to me.

but i do like shooting UWA so it's either keep the 1ds or else spend a couple grand on the 14L II which negates any savings due to selling the 1ds mark III instead of the 1d mark III. i should iprobably sell the 1d mark III because the only files i have that i'd like to be bigger are wildlife and sports shot (which the 1d4 will give me).

or i could just wait for the 1ds mark IV but i really don't want a 30+ megapixel camera. hell it took a year to get used to 21 mp .

ed rader

ed rader wrote in post #11464670
that's what i'm thinking Tim. i could keep the 1d3 as a back-up if i have a camera that can do everything. as you probably know the 1ds mark III isn't great at higher ISOs and that's a big deal to me.

but i do like shooting UWA so it's either keep the 1ds or else spend a couple grand on the 14L II which negates any savings due to selling the 1ds mark III instead of the 1d mark III. i should iprobably sell the 1d mark III because the only files i have that i'd like to be bigger are wildlife and sports shot.

or i could just wait for the 1ds mark IV but i really don't want a 30+ megapixel camera. hell it took a year to get used to 21 mp .

ed rader

Well... they may not make a 1Ds4 and even if they have a 30+ MP camera, there is always sRAW to bring you back to the good old days

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #11464100
Ed, get the Mk IV and tell us!
I'm more interested to see what you end up thinking shooting them side by side.

i'm pretty sure i'll be getting the 1d mark IV soon ... and when i do i'll let you all know what i think .

ed rader

themadman wrote in post #11464684
Well... they may not make a 1Ds4 and even if they have a 30+ MP camera, there is always sRAW to bring you back to the good old days

you know, i found that if you have the resolution you're going to use it. at least i do. i have shot a couple of functions (weddings, party) and i did use my 1d mark III because of the smaller files and better ISO performance in low light.

the 1d mark III was the most impressive camera upgrade that i have made -- i really love that camera -- but i've had it for three years and i really want larger files for wildlife and sports.

ed rader

ZensLens wrote in post #11463503
The 1d4 is a 16.1mp cropped body while the 1ds3 is a 21.1mp FF. More resolution I think goes to the 1ds3. However, when it comes to the high iso, from what I have seen, the 1d4 is no slouch, but then again neither is the 1ds3

I'd try a search on here or google for high iso comparisons of the two.

when it comes to comparisons in gear i trust my friends at POTN more than anonymous sources on the internet .

i know the difference in sensor size. the biggest difference in output between the mark III and 1ds Mark III is the mark III is about a half stop better at higher ISOs, which means i can shoot @ ISO 1600 without noise reduction with the 1d mark III. the difference in IQ is insignificant most of the time. in other words i could live with a 1.3 crop camera if only there were some better UWA options.

ed rader

bohdank wrote in post #11463550
I don't have either 1D's but there have been a few comments comparing the MK4 to the 5DII and it's apparently slightly behind the 5DII in high ISO noise performance. If that is the case, the 1DsIII and 1DMKIV should be about the same, in that respect, leaving the differences to sensor size and number of pixels.

The 1D Mark IV is better (in my direct experience) than the 5D2 at ISO 3200 through ISO12800.

I think the 5D2 is pretty nice at 3200 but gets bad fast above that. The 1D4 has a bigger lead over the 5D2 the higher you go (though it is not, IMO, usable at 25000 and higher).

I frequently make 12x18 prints from the 1D4 at ISO12800 and they are very good with a light pass of NR in LR 3.2 (like 10% on the slider).