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Dec 16, 2010 15:21 |  #1

Hi
my daughter and her boyfriend wanted a few to put in a frame.
please let me know what you think. here boyfriend wanted dramatic black and white.
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Do you think I should try to edit it?

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Dec 16, 2010 15:29 |  #2

Overexposes on the right and not enough fill on the left (in my humble opinion).


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Dec 16, 2010 16:07 |  #3

imahawki wrote in post #11464568 (external link)
Overexposes on the right and not enough fill on the left (in my humble opinion).

From a standpoint of what the boyfriend wanted though that gives the dramatic look to the B&W. I think you acheived the look he wanted. Good job.


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Dec 16, 2010 16:09 |  #4

imahawki wrote in post #11464568 (external link)
Overexposes on the right and not enough fill on the left (in my humble opinion).

i agree completely


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Dec 16, 2010 16:21 |  #5

I think it's fine it would be more dramatic if the background was black. I don't know why it could be my tired eyes but are the eyes soft?




  
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Dec 17, 2010 08:16 as a reply to  @ ChuckingFluff's post |  #6

Thanks for all the comments.


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Dec 17, 2010 08:48 |  #7

Quick and rough. Too hot on the shirts, shadows need work, so light placement should be adjusted, which would probably bring the ratio into balance.

Sample is just a quick look at more dramatic version. I see why you were trying to wash out the skin tones. Better fix in retouch tools.


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Dec 17, 2010 09:09 |  #8

Others pointed out the lighting error. When I shoot 2 people, I move the light (if single) more over my right shoulder than 45 degrees due to the hot spot potential and light fall off at the other side of the young woman's face.

At second glance, with the bodies facing left, I probably would have put the light off my left shoulder.

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Dec 17, 2010 09:25 |  #9

When lighting two people and one of them is a female always use the best lighting pattern on the female as she will be vastly more critical about how she looks in the portrait than he will be.

Critique. The main light was on the correct side of the subjects but it was too low. The catchlights should be at the 1 o'clock position not the three o'clock position as above. Had the main light been in the correct position those rather unusual bright spots beside both of the subject's mouths would not have been there.

Had the main light been at camera left, her white blouse would have received the brunt of the main light and her chest would have been extremely bright (like her shoulder is now.)

I would have liked to see them separated a little bit in order to allow her to turn her head toward him giving the image some more pizzazz. Good expression on her, but he was trying too hard to look cool.

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Dec 17, 2010 11:21 |  #10

advaitin wrote in post #11468449 (external link)
Quick and rough. Too hot on the shirts, shadows need work, so light placement should be adjusted, which would probably bring the ratio into balance.

Sample is just a quick look at more dramatic version. I see why you were trying to wash out the skin tones. Better fix in retouch tools.

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Dec 17, 2010 17:22 |  #11

I can't help in the way of light placement and strength of the strobes, as I generally use natural light for most of my portraits, but I did notice, like the others, that they're really hot on their left side.
We've lost detail in the whites and the drop off is much too harsh on their right sides.
I would bump the contrast up a tad, too. Your conversion looks a little flat.
I did a quick edit (your file was small, so I did what I could with what I had).
I just selectively lightened their right sides
bumped the contrast
brought back a little detail in their shirts
gave their eyes a little kick
cloned out some stray hairs and all of the pesky lens dust
and warmed up the BW conversion (this was personal choice, as I am more partial to warm BW's)

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Your couple looks really relaxed and comfortable in front of you and your camera :)

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Dec 18, 2010 11:18 |  #12

If the couple wanted a "dramatic black and white", wouldn't that call for dramatic lighting, a higher ratio maybe, like 4:1, more control over the light/shadow? if that is the case, I would NOT use any fill light on one side and would pp it without raising up the shadows on the left side. clearly, i don't have a clue what I'm talking about, Im not quite sure why I don't call it dramatic. But while i think this is a nice shot, i wouldn't call it dramatic.


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