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Dec 20, 2010 14:05 |  #1

Some pictures I took over this past weekend.

All shot with a 40D 28-135mm lens (purchased as the kit just over 3 years ago)

Thinking of getting a 50mm or 85mm lens in the next week or so to improve images.

C&C very much appreciated. Images were shot at ISO1600

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Dec 20, 2010 14:25 |  #2

The images are pretty soft. You're going to need to get a lens that is fast enough so you can crank up your shutter speed and/or a body with better AF such as a 1D series. They are also all pretty noisy. I know ISO 1600 can do that so you may want to try a noise reduction program such as Noise Ninja. You also might want to try to get the ball within the frame in your snaps and check your white balance as your getting some color cast issues in your images.


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Dec 20, 2010 14:54 |  #3

Due to the gyms being terribly lit (in this environment) I've been shooting with a slower shutter speed. When I would turn up the shutter speed images turn dark relatively quickly.

Would you or others recommend turning up the shutter speed and enhancing images in post?

I think it's time to start shooting in RAW again, either way.


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Dec 20, 2010 15:01 |  #4

Dkrogh wrote in post #11485953 (external link)
Due to the gyms being terribly lit (in this environment) I've been shooting with a slower shutter speed. When I would turn up the shutter speed images turn dark relatively quickly.

Would you or others recommend turning up the shutter speed and enhancing images in post?

I think it's time to start shooting in RAW again, either way.

I would suggest getting a faster lens with an aperture of 2.8 such as the Canon 70-200 2.8L, or a lens such as the Canon 85 1.8


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Dec 20, 2010 15:02 |  #5

Dkrogh wrote in post #11485953 (external link)
Due to the gyms being terribly lit (in this environment) I've been shooting with a slower shutter speed. When I would turn up the shutter speed images turn dark relatively quickly.

Would you or others recommend turning up the shutter speed and enhancing images in post?

I think it's time to start shooting in RAW again, either way.

You can't take indoor basketball with that lens. Everything is dark, and or blurry. The inexpensive solution is the 50mm f/1.8, for around $100....focus is slow, and you have a range of 10-12 feet to get good shots, but you can get pretty good shots. The better option is the 85mm, for around $380 ish, cleaner, faster focus.
You need to get a minimum of 1/400 shutter to get clean shots. I have both lens, started with the 50mm, and now use the 85mm, and the settings I use in decent light are
iso 1600
f/2.0
1/400 or 1/500 in better light
single point focus
partial metering
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Dec 20, 2010 15:03 |  #6

HS gyms generally have bad light and can vary between venues as much as 3 stops. If you want to spend the money, the 70-200/2.8 works well. But even with this lens I am usually at ISO 3200. It does provide a good range to catch the action though.


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Dec 20, 2010 15:18 |  #7

The 85mm f/1.8 is probably the best route to go. Standard HS gym settings with the 85mm are f/2, 1/640, (possibly 1/500 for girls) and up the ISO until you get proper exposure. Usually around ISO 2500 is sufficient ... even in the dungeon gyms.

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Dec 20, 2010 15:30 as a reply to  @ snyderman's post |  #8

here are 2 shots, one on left with Canon XT with 50mm, one on right is Canon Xsi with 85mm.....


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Dec 20, 2010 15:40 |  #9

mark2009 wrote in post #11486148 (external link)
here are 2 shots, one on left with Canon XT with 50mm, one on right is Canon Xsi with 85mm.....

The faster lens definitely helps with these images as the exposure is better. If budget allows I would still recommend a 1D series body as the AF system is far better than the Rebel and 40D.


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Dec 20, 2010 17:20 as a reply to  @ Anderson-Photography's post |  #10

Don't waste your money on the 50 f1.8 for sports. Get the 85 f1.8 or go back to the bleachers.:)


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Dec 20, 2010 18:06 |  #11

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Don't waste your money on the 50 f1.8 for sports. Get the 85 f1.8 or go back to the bleachers.:)

I only had a zoom, and wanted something cheap, that i could at least get some decent shots, and the 50mm for $99 worked well for high school, on the baseline for me.




  
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Dec 20, 2010 20:33 |  #12

I will probably pick up the 50mm 1.8 just to have since it is such a great lens to have in the bag, and will be seriously looking to pick up the 70-200mm 2.8L IS. I wasn't planning on upgrading the body quite yet but will if things don't pan out I may do so.


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Dec 20, 2010 23:34 |  #13

Dkrogh wrote in post #11487817 (external link)
I will probably pick up the 50mm 1.8 just to have since it is such a great lens to have in the bag, and will be seriously looking to pick up the 70-200mm 2.8L IS. I wasn't planning on upgrading the body quite yet but will if things don't pan out I may do so.

The 50 1.8 is fine for a portrait lens but it will not track that well for sports and with basketball you're going to lag a step behind. Save your money for the best glass you can.


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Dec 21, 2010 12:14 |  #14

Some fast glass will absolutely help your cause.


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Jan 10, 2011 03:17 |  #15

Shot with new 70-200L f/2.8 USM I and 40D in RAW. Sorry if they are still big (I know RAW is a large file already), I may have uploaded a larger file to the server instead of a normal small file.
no editing has been done.

Due to the baselines being so shallow in quite a few of the gyms I shoot in the most I am thinking of also getting a 50mm instead of the using just the 70 since players are so close, but I will continue to shoot with the 70-200 for a while to get more shots under my belt with it and more comfortable in the various gym/shooting situations.

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