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Dec 22, 2010 07:21 |  #1

So I'm a little befuddled on the process of getting my photos to print with "accurate" colors.

I'm using an Epson R2400 printer and my monitor has been calibrated with EyeOne.

I processed an image which looks good on my monitor. When I print the image it appears to have too much red. I used the profile for my printer and paper combination.

Trying again, this time I selected to view "Proof Colors" in Photoshop and sure enough it changes the image with a cast of red.

So the question here is what the normal workflow is. Should I readjust the image colors while viewing in "Proof Colors" which will then change the appearance of the original version?

*EDIT* When I go to "Proof Setup" and choose "Working CMYK" the image stays the same when viewing "Proof Colors". When I choose "Windows RGB" and then select Proof Colors the image appears with too much Red which is the same way it appears when printed.

Your help will be much appreciated. Thanks.
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Dec 22, 2010 08:19 |  #2

A reasonable approximation to what it will look like on print.

View/Proof Setup/Custom

Pick the profile for the printer/paper that you are going to use.

Rendering Perceptial or Relative (try them both and pick the one the closest to the final print)
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color
Simulate Black Ink (it should get checked automatically)

See how that works


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Dec 22, 2010 09:00 |  #3

Use RGB because that is what you send to the printer. The driver flips it to CMYK but you have no control over that and Epson doesn't tell us what CMYK profile it uses.


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Dec 22, 2010 09:23 |  #4

"Working CMYK" is the CMYK profile set in your color settings. It's useless for everyday use for most people: It's for offset printing, not "photoprinter-printing".
Don't mess with "Monitor RGB" or "Windows RGB" either: They are not for softproofing, but show the image as it would when assigning the wrong profile. (Non colormanaged environment)

This is how you could work:
Duplicate the image.
View images side by side.
Softproof the duplicate. Choose the proper printer / paper profile and the rendering intent you want to use.
Create a (few) adjustment layer(s) to get the softproof as close as you can to the original.
Print. In the PS print dialog, choose "Let PS manage colors", use the same printer profile and rendering intent. Do not let the printer driver manage colors.
Put the adjustment layers in a group named after the paper / printer if desired. You might be able to use them as a future starting point.


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Dec 22, 2010 12:34 |  #5

René Damkot wrote in post #11496650 (external link)
This is how you could work:
Duplicate the image.
View images side by side.
Softproof the duplicate. Choose the proper printer / paper profile and the rendering intent you want to use.
Create a (few) adjustment layer(s) to get the softproof as close as you can to the original.
Print. In the PS print dialog, choose "Let PS manage colors", use the same printer profile and rendering intent. Do not let the printer driver manage colors.
Put the adjustment layers in a group named after the paper / printer if desired. You might be able to use them as a future starting point.

An excellent, concise, right-to-the-point description! Belongs somewhere in the stickies.




  
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Dec 22, 2010 13:42 as a reply to  @ ncjohn's post |  #6

A video tutorial on Softproofing in Photoshop:

http://tv.adobe.com …soft-proofing-your-image/ (external link)


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Dec 22, 2010 22:20 |  #7

Thank you very much for the responses and the video link. I appreciate it very much. I just spent the entire evening watching the video, re-reading your posts and trying the recommended settings step by step. Unfortunately I am having the same issue after all of this.

The printed version of my photo appears to have a red cast to it even though my soft proof and original do not. I also re-calibrated my monitor beforehand.

As an experiment I tried setting my soft proof profile to Working RGB and the image went to almost the same red cast as my print. I'm not sure what this means though.

Any additional help would be really appreciated. Thanks again!

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Dec 22, 2010 22:37 |  #8

A test you can run: use an image that is a straight out-of-camera jpeg taken in good daylight (or do a custom White Balance) so that you won't do any processing in Photoshop. Switch the printer to manage the colors and Photoshop to let the printer manage the colors. Print and see if the tint is still there. And, try printing out of an alternate program. I don't know how much it may or may not make a difference...but a "good" jpeg should print just like going to a One Hour Photo shop if you don't mess it up. If you don't see the red tint, well, maybe your calibration is way off, of something...


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Dec 23, 2010 04:03 |  #9

Try a "know to be right" image. Such as the one found here:

http://www.outbackprin​t.com …insights/pi049/​essay.html (external link)


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