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Will the 5D MK III have the 7D AF system?

 
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Dec 24, 2010 00:14 |  #16

I want a 1Ds IV without grip (or with option to grip or not to grip). I also tend to use all focus points on 7D (focus recompose or not) as the distribution of those points are nicely across the film. So, give me a 5D with 7D AF system is one step closer to what I want/need.


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Dec 24, 2010 00:56 |  #17

Look at the 5D's autofocus progression (i know not too many data points to make a trend line) but both 5D's had the same autofocus system while the other canon cameras continues to progress. I think if canon does upgrade to a better autofocus system on the 5D mkIII it will move slightly. it will be more like what you see in the 40d and 50D.... not a huge upgrade but still it gives you something... I would be very surprised if they put the 7D autofocus system in there. I know canon wants to one up Nikons stuff but it also doesnt want to tread too much on its own toes (the 1D series)




  
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Dec 24, 2010 15:35 as a reply to  @ gotaudi's post |  #18

I cannot wait for this camera. It will be a great 2011!




  
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Dec 25, 2010 13:01 |  #19

gotaudi wrote in post #11506737 (external link)
Look at the 5D's autofocus progression (i know not too many data points to make a trend line) but both 5D's had the same autofocus system while the other canon cameras continues to progress. I think if canon does upgrade to a better autofocus system on the 5D mkIII it will move slightly. it will be more like what you see in the 40d and 50D.... not a huge upgrade but still it gives you something... I would be very surprised if they put the 7D autofocus system in there. I know canon wants to one up Nikons stuff but it also doesnt want to tread too much on its own toes (the 1D series)

I wouldn't say that every camera has progressed, at least not at each iteration. The 40D/50D/60D have basically the same AF system, and the 1D and 1D2/1D2n were the same. I know that they upgraded with the 20D over the 10D, and I'm not sure whether the 30D retained the 20D's scheme or was the first to have the 40D's scheme (they are different). Some of the older schemes have made their way to the Rebel series.

The 5D and 5D2 have shared essentially the same 15-point AF system (9 visible and 6 'expansion' points) for several years now, and it's drawing complaints from users due to the poor performance of the peripheral AF points. Additionally, competitors have superior systems and Canon's own lower-cost 7D has a system that is superior in most aspects. It would not be wise to fail to upgrade the 5D's AF in the Mk III version. People that have enough money to buy the 5-series are also people that have enough money to change systems, and both Nikon and Sony are waiting in the wings.

It has been my contention, with no basis in fact or inside knowledge, that Canon had intended to upgrade the AF system in the 5D Mk II, but halted that move due to the AF issues on the initial 1D3 bodies. My guess is that the new system, which was probably a lot like the 7D's system, was based on technology similar to that used on the 1D3 and that they didn't want to risk a faulty AF system on two high-dollar bodies. So, instead of upgrading and taking the risk, they maintained keeping the reliable, if somewhat dated system on the 5D2. Now that they've sorted out the 1D3's AF and have gotten things right with the 1D4 and 7D, they are free to upgrade in the next 5-series model.


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Dec 25, 2010 16:27 |  #20

If they do it I will buy one. Period. It's that or I'm going to have to get a 1Ds Mark III after they drop a bit. I really want higher IQ but I simply cannot give up my AF.


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Dec 25, 2010 18:51 as a reply to  @ post 11506488 |  #21

I mentioned this elsewhere, but I actually expect we'll see a 5DIIn or something similar before we see a full mark III revision. The mark II is still selling so well, and if they bumped it's auto-focus to something like the 60D has, it would definitely tide people over until they can release a full rev with an articulating screen (like many of the higher end digital camcorders have, Panasonic's P200 comes to mind.)

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Dec 25, 2010 22:56 |  #22

John the Geek wrote in post #11513702 (external link)
I mentioned this elsewhere, but I actually expect we'll see a 5DIIn or something similar before we see a full mark III revision. The mark II is still selling so well, and if they bumped it's auto-focus to something like the 60D has, it would definitely tide people over until they can release a full rev with an articulating screen (like many of the higher end digital camcorders have, Panasonic's P200 comes to mind.)

Videographers will love the 5D III, photographers will hate it.

I know there will be many photog's who don't want an articulating screen, but it's appeal is not limited to videographers... i do a lot of tripod bases landscape and artefact shots requiring heights from 2.5m to .2m above the ground... I can't tell you how much I love the articulating screen up high and down low on my 60D and wish it was on my 5D2 as well!.


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Dec 26, 2010 18:10 |  #23

When is it coming out and what is the expected price?


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Dec 26, 2010 19:48 |  #24

NothingRemains10 wrote in post #11518296 (external link)
When is it coming out and what is the expected price?

No one knows the answer to either one of those questions


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Jan 02, 2011 21:17 |  #25

Why do people always complain about missing shots with their 5Ds? My 5D's AF has been great and I've used a 1D IV and 7D before. It has never missed a shot, it just isn't as snappy.



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Jan 02, 2011 22:06 |  #26
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Tom W wrote in post #11512641 (external link)
It has been my contention, with no basis in fact or inside knowledge, that Canon had intended to upgrade the AF system in the 5D Mk II, but halted that move due to the AF issues on the initial 1D3 bodies. My guess is that the new system, which was probably a lot like the 7D's system, was based on technology similar to that used on the 1D3 and that they didn't want to risk a faulty AF system on two high-dollar bodies. So, instead of upgrading and taking the risk, they maintained keeping the reliable, if somewhat dated system on the 5D2. Now that they've sorted out the 1D3's AF and have gotten things right with the 1D4 and 7D, they are free to upgrade in the next 5-series model.

Yes, and Canon had to hurry out the 5DII with Nikons release of the D700. The autofocus system was in disarray after all the fiasco with the ID3 and Canon cound not wait until they perfected the new autofocus system ( 7D ) so they released the 5DII with the same focusing system as the 5D. Nikon played their cards and forced Canon into releasing the 5DII before they really wanted to.




  
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Jan 03, 2011 21:17 |  #27

JonSC wrote in post #11561134 (external link)
Why do people always complain about missing shots with their 5Ds? My 5D's AF has been great and I've used a 1D IV and 7D before. It has never missed a shot, it just isn't as snappy.

agreed, I don't have much of a problem with miss shot with my 5d2. even I shoot with my 40d i'm still okay with it...I will miss some shooting sport, but other then that...it the same.

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Jan 04, 2011 01:19 |  #28

The 5D's autofocus is pretty terrible. Not sure how anyone can disagree unless you photograph using Manual Focus.

That said, so is the 1D Mark III.

Maybe I'm just not using them right. You'd think aiming and photographing would be enough, but apparently not :(


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Jan 04, 2011 05:43 |  #29

smorter wrote in post #11569387 (external link)
The 5D's autofocus is pretty terrible. Not sure how anyone can disagree unless you photograph using Manual Focus.

That said, so is the 1D Mark III.

Maybe I'm just not using them right. You'd think aiming and photographing would be enough, but apparently not :(

Watch out! If you keep up that talkno e of the other 5d mII owners will talk to you anymore. :-)


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Jan 04, 2011 05:54 |  #30

The 5DII has mother-loving horrible AF. I mother-loving love the IQ though. I couldn't wait for the 5DIII or whatever. It would be mother-loving nice if they put some swankier AF in it.


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