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Will the 5D MK III have the 7D AF system?

 
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Jan 04, 2011 10:05 |  #31

If it is not having the same autofocus or better than 7D, it will be a big disapointment.

I would be very supriced if they are not having the same autofocus quality. What do canon want? More costumers that buy 7D or more costumers that buy 5D. They definently want to sell the more expensive one.


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Jan 04, 2011 10:14 |  #32

kent andersen wrote in post #11570959 (external link)
If it is not having the same autofocus or better than 7D, it will be a big disapointment.

I would be very supriced if they are not having the same autofocus quality. What do canon want? More costumers that buy 7D or more costumers that buy 5D. They definently want to sell the more expensive one.

I would not be surprise at all, Canon 7d is a sport camera and you pay $500 extra for that AF comparing with 60d, 5d mark II is a portrait/landscape camera. Canon 5d mark II has a much better AF then 7d, like 45-point TTL CMOS sensor,19 cross-type but it's called Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III and it costs $6K.

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Jan 04, 2011 10:57 |  #33

I don't see why there has to remain a distinction between sports and studio/landscape usage of a camera. These concepts are vastly outdated and based on earlier technological limitations.
Simply put, a FF body with a high FPS (10fps or more), good dynamic range (like the pentax K-5) and 30 megapixels don't rule eachother out. The AF system is completely separate from this as well - there's not really a link between the AF system and the frame rate - though the former supports the possibility of the latter I suppose (high fps tracking).

I don't get why we - as consumers - keep accepting the camera manufacturers to sell us this market positioning of distinct bodies. I guess it'll only be a matter of time until another manufacturer forces canon and nikon to make the one body to rule them all.


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Jan 04, 2011 12:23 |  #34

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I don't get why we - as consumers - keep accepting the camera manufacturers to sell us this market positioning of distinct bodies. I guess it'll only be a matter of time until another manufacturer forces canon and nikon to make the one body to rule them all.

It's very simple, because of the cost. Because they want to make some affordable ones. I terms of sports, crop factor is much better choice right, because of the focal you gain. It would need more expensive lenses to reach that with a ff. So why would anyone spend more when they can have the same results with a 1d markIV for example
They keep them like that because everyone expectation from a camera is different. I wouldn't want to spend $6k for a camera that does at all since I only do portraits and landscape. I would prefer not the have the sports features and pay $3.000 less.
It's like you're asking: why do those car makers make so many models? Why don't they make one model to "rule them all"?!


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Jan 04, 2011 13:27 |  #35

I would like to see an upgrade to the AF-system and a 100% viewfinder.
Also the mode dial upgrade lock-out button implimented.
Rumors are in the 28MP range, if those are true then I am sold on it :)


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Jan 04, 2011 13:43 |  #36

One thing that will be interesting to see if whether or not Canon decides to add some sort of flash controlling scheme to the 5D3. I don't think it would be a deal-breaker considering all the other flash systems out there, but It would be a nice feature. The 7D has it.


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Jan 04, 2011 14:00 |  #37

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If they do it I will buy one. Period. It's that or I'm going to have to get a 1Ds Mark III after they drop a bit. I really want higher IQ but I simply cannot give up my AF.

And this is why Canon marketing puts out the camera's they do. They know that if the 5D had a 7D AF system it would cannibalize the 1D line.


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Jan 04, 2011 14:22 |  #38

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They know that if the 5D had a 7D AF system it would cannibalize the 1D line.

Unfortunately, they seem to have forgotten that the D700 is also capable of "cannibalizing" the 1D line. The difference is that Canon makes money when the 5D series sells - they don't make money when people buy Nikon instead.


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Jan 04, 2011 15:31 |  #39

I would defenetly not buy if it had an articulating screen.

Canon has some things up their sleve as of yet, so we should just be patient and see :)


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Jan 04, 2011 15:39 |  #40

Tom W wrote in post #11572497 (external link)
Unfortunately, they seem to have forgotten that the D700 is also capable of "cannibalizing" the 1D line. The difference is that Canon makes money when the 5D series sells - they don't make money when people buy Nikon instead.

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If indeed the reason Canon don't put pro AF into the 5 series is because they are worried about cannibalizing the 1D series, then whoever makes those decisions need to be sacked. Nikon are probably laughing as all it means is that people will just buy a D700 or something instead. What's the point of trying to protect your own products when people will just go to a competitor instead? I doubt (and hope) Canon is that silly.

There is no longer any reason why the 5 series doesn't have pro series AF, and I have no doubt the 5D3 will get the much needed AF update.


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Jan 04, 2011 15:42 |  #41

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I would defenetly not buy if it had an articulating screen.

Canon has some things up their sleve as of yet, so we should just be patient and see :)

Why would an articulating screen be a dealbreaker? If you really dislike it for some reason, why not just leave it in place and seal it with some gaffer tape or something?

Surely having a feature with the option of using it when needed is better than no feature at all? Especially when judging by the 60D it does not add anything to the cost of the camera?

Besides articulating screens will be a boon to professional photographers who need to get the shot, as well as marco, architecture and landscape photographers, so it will likely increase the resale value of the camera should you decide that no, you simply cannot live with the fact that it has an articulating screen :rolleyes:

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Jan 04, 2011 15:46 |  #42

davidfig wrote in post #11572364 (external link)
And this is why Canon marketing puts out the camera's they do. They know that if the 5D had a 7D AF system it would cannibalize the 1D line.

i dont believe that to be the case. as it is, they sell way more 5d cameras than 1 series. if anything, they could seriously boost revenue by improving the next 5d's AF. photographers currently shooting a 1 series body will most likely continue to do so for more reasons than just AF. in fact i am a good example of this topic...i have considered upgrading to a 1d mark iv, but have not done so because of the price. it would be a compromise camera for me anyway, thus not justifying the cost. that = lost revenue on me as a consumer. however, if the new 5d is released with something like the 7d or even older 1 series AF i might just buy two. that would = gained revenue from me as a consumer. if i had the disposable income at the moment i would have made the move to the mark iv, just because i dont care much for the 5dII (i know i will get flamed by many for that). but for now i continue to make money with my current 12.8 megapixel 5d and 8.2 megapixel 1d mark ii.

the fact is, the image quality is still amazing out of the old 5d. sure the high iso capabilities of the mark ii are quite good, and the video is intriguing, but the old AF and the low iso banding issues have prevented me from upgrading. i prefer the "look" of the images out of the old camera.

heres what i would really like to see in a mark iii:

  • current mark ii resolution or lower with improved noise handling and eliminate the banding issues
  • 7d or better af
  • 100% vf
  • shorter shutter lag! (this has to be one of my biggest pet peves in the current 5d cameras)
  • more durable build with optional integrated style battery grip, like that of the old 1v film bodies (dont like the wart-looking, loose fitting battery grips, although use it because there is no other option)
  • not too concerned with fps. i have my 1dii to fulfill that requirement
  • (this is reaching)...a totally revamped RF wireless ettl ii flash communication system...to put to rest the old IR communication and eliminate the need for third party devices like radio popper
  • increased dynamic range
  • 63-segment metering
im sure theres more but those are highest on my wish list.

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Jan 04, 2011 15:53 |  #43

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The 5DII has mother-loving horrible AF. I mother-loving love the IQ though. I couldn't wait for the 5DIII or whatever. It would be mother-loving nice if they put some swankier AF in it.

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Jan 04, 2011 15:58 |  #44

davidfig wrote in post #11572364 (external link)
And this is why Canon marketing puts out the camera's they do. They know that if the 5D had a 7D AF system it would cannibalize the 1D line.

I doubt this is the case. Most of the used 1ds bodies I have seen for sale used are listed as going to Nikon. Thus I am buying a used camera where Canon makes nothing and the old user is putting money in Nikon's pocket.


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Jan 04, 2011 15:59 |  #45

Wireless flash control would be awesome as we but now we might be asking for too much :-)


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