Permission to Copying my own photography?

photoguy6405 wrote in post #11514097
If it's applied evenly... across the board... I'd be fine with it. If it's applied haphazardly, I'd be annoyed and would take my future business elsewhere.

You mean like the TSA giving a pat-down and full body scan to Betty White? Or like a high school principle refusing to let the class valedictorian graduate because a cake knife from her sister's baby shower was found in a box with the remnants of the cake in the back seat of her car in the parking lot? That kind of "applied evenly...across the board" mentality?

I'd taken some concert shots to Costco to get printed, and the guy behind the counter asked if I was the photographer. I told him I was, handed him my business card, and life's been swell ever since...

ryant35 wrote in post #11514316
Maybe Costco isn't as good mas mpix but it's much cheaper and I don't have to wait and pay for shipping.

13 cents at Costco vs 19 cents at mpix. Not a huge difference. I dont mind waiting for quality.

cory1848 wrote in post #11516796
13 cents at Costco vs 19 cents at mpix. Not a huge difference. I dont mind waiting for quality.

I would think that at one time it mattered, a local print shop would have better equipment and take more care with maintenance and such. But these days it's all in the printer being used and I'm venturing a guess that pretty much everyone is using the same couple of printers. If you look at the interaction of the human it's not much more than scooping up the printed pictures and placing them in an envelope. Printing these days is far from rocket science.

RDKirk wrote in post #11516325
You mean like the TSA giving a pat-down and full body scan to Betty White? Or like a high school principle refusing to let the class valedictorian graduate because a cake knife from her sister's baby shower was found in a box with the remnants of the cake in the back seat of her car in the parking lot? That kind of "applied evenly...across the board" mentality?

You're right. And those are examples on the other side that I would argue. The human species craves consistency where none exists.

I knew I made it when the person at walmart asked, for copyright reasons, if the pictures were taken by a professional!

Just kidding.......

firefighter4u wrote in post #11517841
I knew I made it when the person at walmart asked, for copyright reasons, if the pictures were taken by a professional!

Just kidding.......

HAHA yeah, by no means do I consider myself professional, or even really that good. I just do it for fun, which is why I got a bit irritated that it took that much time just to do something I'd NEVER had to do before at any place.

gjl711 wrote in post #11516967
I would think that at one time it mattered, a local print shop would have better equipment and take more care with maintenance and such. But these days it's all in the printer being used and I'm venturing a guess that pretty much everyone is using the same couple of printers. If you look at the interaction of the human it's not much more than scooping up the printed pictures and placing them in an envelope. Printing these days is far from rocket science.

The point you are missing is the people monitoring the chemicals, temperature, etc. Even in the new machines you still have chemicals. You think a walgreens employee even knows there are chemicals in that big machine that magically spits out prints? When do you think stores like that actually change chemicals? Once a week? Once a month? Ever? My guess is only when there are enough complaints from bad prints that they will think of changing it out.

Other the other hand, pro lab printers are monitored 24/7. Rocket science? No, but it takes more than some $7/hr high school kid running a photo kiosk to guarantee a quality print.

This is funny because I tend to hear this a lot when it comes to photography. All the cameras do the work, its not rocket science to take a great photo.... See the irony here?

Those machines aren't monitored by the store clerks. They are all connected via networks to the sales and service people from companies like Kodak and HP who actually maintain the equipment.

Go print a 4 x 6 at Walmart using the new HP printers and compare them with the same size print from a pro lab and I doubt you'll see any difference.

cory1848 wrote in post #11521106
Printing these days is far from rocket science.

The point you are missing is the people monitoring the chemicals, temperature, etc. Even in the new machines you still have chemicals. You think a walgreens employee even knows there are chemicals in that big machine that magically spits out prints? When do you think stores like that actually change chemicals? Once a week? Once a month? Ever? My guess is only when there are enough complaints from bad prints that they will think of changing it out.

Other the other hand, pro lab printers are monitored 24/7. Rocket science? No, but it takes more than some $7/hr high school kid running a photo kiosk to guarantee a quality print.

This is funny because I tend to hear this a lot when it comes to photography. All the cameras do the work, its not rocket science to take a great photo.... See the irony here?

cory1848 wrote in post #11521106
The point you are missing is the people monitoring the chemicals, temperature, etc. Even in the new machines you still have chemicals. You think a walgreens employee even knows there are chemicals in that big machine that magically spits out prints? When do you think stores like that actually change chemicals? Once a week? Once a month? Ever? My guess is only when there are enough complaints from bad prints that they will think of changing it out.

Other the other hand, pro lab printers are monitored 24/7. Rocket science? No, but it takes more than some $7/hr high school kid running a photo kiosk to guarantee a quality print.

You are thinking old school. Chemicals, temperature, and all the things that were once important in a darkroom are all gone. All the new printers that are spitting out digital prints use simple ink cartridges. When the light flashes indicating a cartridge is low, some high school kid pops in a new one. There are no more developer baths, fixer baths, stop baths and such. It's all gone. The technology is no more complex than the printer you have at home. It's just bigger and faster.

gjl711 wrote in post #11521786
You are thinking old school. Chemicals, temperature, and all the things that were once important in a darkroom are all gone. All the new printers that are spitting out digital prints use simple ink cartridges. When the light flashes indicating a cartridge is low, some high school kid pops in a new one. There are no more developer baths, fixer baths, stop baths and such. It's all gone. The technology is no more complex than the printer you have at home. It's just bigger and faster.

Sorry but that is just wrong.

gjl711 wrote in post #11521786
You are thinking old school. Chemicals, temperature, and all the things that were once important in a darkroom are all gone. All the new printers that are spitting out digital prints use simple ink cartridges. When the light flashes indicating a cartridge is low, some high school kid pops in a new one. There are no more developer baths, fixer baths, stop baths and such. It's all gone. The technology is no more complex than the printer you have at home. It's just bigger and faster.

Ummm, no. The pro labs use Laser processing on light sensitive paper. That paper still has to be fixed. Might be an ink cartridge type printer in a local kiosk but to say the laser printers are the same as what you have at home, I highly doubt that.

Costco is one of the few places that uses higher end equipment, which is why I said I would go there rather than a walgreens type of place.

neil_r wrote in post #11522533
Sorry but that is just wrong.

...I dedicate this to him...

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

hawkeye60 wrote in post #11508331
IMHO every store should have every customer sign a form as a matter of routine stating they are the owner of the photos, instead of making an uninformed judgement of which photos are professional and which are not. The fact is even snapshots taken by someone else belong to the photographer, if you want to get technical about it.

+1
well said

hawkeye60 wrote in post #11508331
IMHO every store should have every customer sign a form as a matter of routine stating they are the owner of the photos, instead of making an uninformed judgement of which photos are professional and which are not. The fact is even snapshots taken by someone else belong to the photographer, if you want to get technical about it.

AliciaTTF wrote in post #11528833
+1
well said

I'd rather go the other way. It's not (or, shouldn't be) the business' responsibility to enforce civil law. I'd rather have them not do anything at all. The issue is between the rights holder and the thief. Barring an obvious marking of some kind, ala Olan Mills, the store is ill-equipped to judge one way or another. All the store is doing is offering an otherwise legal service.

All signing a piece pf paper does is absolve the store of any liability. They're not really doing it for the rights holder's benefit, so why go through the farce? Simply make the store not liable to begin with. Why do honest people need yet another annoyance in their daily lives when the end result is going to be the same anyway?

(I've since changed my mind from my post of a couple days ago)