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Dec 28, 2010 14:17 |  #61

photoguy6405 wrote in post #11528956 (external link)
I'd rather go the other way. It's not (or, shouldn't be) the business' responsibility to enforce civil law. I'd rather have them not do anything at all. The issue is between the rights holder and the thief. Barring an obvious marking of some kind, ala Olan Mills, the store is ill-equipped to judge one way or another. All the store is doing is offering an otherwise legal service.

All signing a piece pf paper does is absolve the store of any liability. They're not really doing it for the rights holder's benefit, so why go through the farce? Simply make the store not liable to begin with. Why do honest people need yet another annoyance in their daily lives when the end result is going to be the same anyway?

(I've since changed my mind from my post of a couple days ago)

When drawn into the courtroom, it will be a matter of whether they've done acceptable "due diligence" to avoid being accomplices.

Pawn shops have to show "due diligence" in avoiding stolen goods. Did they steal the goods? No, but they will be found liable if their normal business practices do not show some minimal effort to avoid them. It doesn't take some kind of draconian iron-clad procedure, like demanding to see the sales receipt for any item brought to them. They only have to do a little bit, like checking an ID and recording contact information. That is enough to discourage most thieves, and it's enough to convince most courts that they've done a minimal level of "due diligence."

It's the same here. Walmart is covering its own okole just enough to have a "due diligence" argument in court.


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Dec 28, 2010 14:33 |  #62

RDKirk wrote in post #11529503 (external link)
When drawn into the courtroom, it will be a matter of whether they've done acceptable "due diligence" to avoid being accomplices.

Pawn shops have to show "due diligence" in avoiding stolen goods. Did they steal the goods? No, but they will be found liable if their normal business practices do not show some minimal effort to avoid them. It doesn't take some kind of draconian iron-clad procedure, like demanding to see the sales receipt for any item brought to them. They only have to do a little bit, like checking an ID and recording contact information. That is enough to discourage most thieves, and it's enough to convince most courts that they've done a minimal level of "due diligence."

It's the same here. Walmart is covering its own okole just enough to have a "due diligence" argument in court.

What you're now arguing is this...

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You mean like the TSA giving a pat-down and full body scan to Betty White? Or like a high school principle refusing to let the class valedictorian graduate because a cake knife from her sister's baby shower was found in a box with the remnants of the cake in the back seat of her car in the parking lot? That kind of "applied evenly...across the board" mentality?

...a minimal amount of due diligence. IOW, "playing it safe" or "CYA".

Why not post a sign at the door that reads... "By entering this store you agree that you will do nothing illegal."?


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Dec 28, 2010 14:40 |  #63

photoguy6405 wrote in post #11529611 (external link)
What you're now arguing is this...

...a minimal amount of due diligence. IOW, "playing it safe" or "CYA".

Why not post a sign at the door that reads... "By entering this store you agree that you will do nothing illegal."?

No, you are arguing the second propostion--that there not be any discretion practiced.

The pawn shop clerk might normally ask only to see an ID, but he still has discretion to ask for more if the "customer" looks especially seedy--and an equally diligent manager will expect it.

The Walmart clerk doesn't have to get a statement from someone whose photographs look clearly amateur (is Betty White a likely terroist? Is the valedictorian with a cake knife in her car a likely Columbine assassin?).


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Dec 28, 2010 18:05 as a reply to  @ RDKirk's post |  #64

I have been the exact same spot when just needing a quick pick and don't use my lab... but I just show a business card and usually get out of it that way.

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Jan 08, 2011 23:07 |  #65

tcusta00 wrote in post #11508261 (external link)
Just sign a release and go on with your life. They're protecting... you.

Exactly!!! That "annoying" practice is exactly why you put it on there in the first place! So other's won't be able to unlawfully do the same.Much like a signature & pic needed for credit cards.

If it bothers you so much...just remove the watermark for your own personal prints.

I'm glad they ask me to do so, if you do volumes of work...they won't bother you anymore in the future; due to regularity or rapport.


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Jan 10, 2011 12:41 |  #66

You can thank your fellow a**hole photographers who are living in the past for your inability to get prints made at Walmart or Costco.




  
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Jan 10, 2011 16:20 |  #67

Tarzanman wrote in post #11611295 (external link)
You can thank your fellow a**hole photographers who are living in the past for your inability to get prints made at Walmart or Costco.

Huh? I'd put the blame on the thieves who steal other's photos for screwing it up for all the legit photogs.


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Jan 10, 2011 20:08 |  #68

I would find a new lab, like now..


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Jan 14, 2011 22:57 |  #69

They are trying to protect themselves. Just sign a letter for yourself as they want it to keep on file in the event of any lawsuits against them...




  
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Jan 15, 2011 01:58 |  #70

So they get threatened with lawsuits for printing photos with out a release by pro's or they get threatened with lawsuits for asking for a release before printing photos. Sucks to be them.


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Jan 15, 2011 09:48 |  #71

gfp wrote in post #11644705 (external link)
So they get threatened with lawsuits for printing photos with out a release by pro's

That has happened.

or they get threatened with lawsuits for asking for a release before printing photos.

That has not happened and probably won't happen. No court's going to hear a case over a simple, "Please sign this waive of liability statement." We sign them all the time over any number of services.


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Jan 15, 2011 11:00 |  #72

Its also another reason to use a pro lab instead of walmart, besides better quality prints and probably for less money, at least for 8x10 sheets.


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Jan 15, 2011 12:50 |  #73

tcusta00 wrote in post #11508261 (external link)
Just sign a release and go on with your life. They're protecting... you.

Yes, this.


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Jan 15, 2011 13:00 |  #74

hawkeye60 wrote in post #11508369 (external link)
I think Costco has a form on their site you can download.

I wonder if anyone has ever been hassled at Costco. I upload all my photos online when I'm using Costco, and the back printing on all my prints says "Sue Cassidy Photography". I simply click the button that says that I either own the images or have a copyright release and they print them, no questions asked.

In the film days, I recall being at a pharmacy that has a photo machine and I heard a lady complain that she couldn't print from the machine because it said the images were copyrighted. The employee apologized and went to the machine and did some sort of "override" and let her print them. I went to the manager and asked if that was typical and she just blustered and stammered on about how they don't have time to police everybody. Amazing.


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