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The reality of Anorexia in modeling

 
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Dec 30, 2010 19:34 |  #16

Quad, you speak the truth. Health is apparent no matter the weight. I know many female and male athletes who are very thin, but healthy, you can see it in the color of their skin, the carriage of their posture and their demeanor. On the opposite side, 300+ linemen can be healthy too, as their physical activity level overcomes the potential hazards of their weight, for a while, at least. Unhealthy, if you are looking beyond the obvious, you can see as well.

Anorexia is a mental illness, but there's an entire industy that celebrates that look. Not much that celebrates obesity on the other hand, and that is entirely too prevalent.




  
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Dec 30, 2010 19:46 |  #17

MP4/8 wrote in post #11543981 (external link)
Guess you don't know too many runners, or cyclists?

It's not anymore prevalent than among the athletic types I mentioned earlier.

You can't blame fashion for people who are a menace to themselves.
It's Darwinism, bit fashion, that is the reason.

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I do know runners and cyclists, having been both since the 70s. Being not-fat is a significant factor, but it's tempered for runners and cyclists by the fact that they still have to physically perform as athletes, and they know that takes calories. As one of the early professional cyclists stated about the Tour de France, "This can't be done on springwater." Nobody finishes a century or a marathon without calories.

There is a difference between striving to be athletically "not-fat" and being anorexic.

If the industry induces pressure to be thinner than healthy, then the fashion industry as an industry certainly does need to examine itself as much as any other industry does. For instance, if hospitals with a desire to save money do so by pushing staff to 24-hour shifts that provably raise medical error rates--they need to examine themselves regardless of what's going on with the rest of society.

There is such a double standard and stigma placed on thin models while the world's population continues to become heavier and more obese as a whole.

Go to any school in the US (and certainly any school in Japan) and see who gets the worse stigmatization--the very fat girl or the very skinny girl. The skinny girl is more likely to be admired or ignored--the fat girl will be abused. My daughter went through hell in high school--at size 6. She dropped down to a size 0 and the hell stopped.

If there is a double standard, it's wholly against the fat girl--being abused for being fat in a society that encourages overeating yet prizes thinness in all the marketing she sees.

And some that don't really have clue as to what most men really find attractive are driving the industry.

Many influential people in the industry must find the young boy look more attractive to the young girl look.

These are both true statements. My now-24-year-old daughter regularly goes through fashion magazines--particularly those marketed for teens--and can point out the difference.

Do males really prefer skinny women? Well, the porn industry is even larger than the fashion industry...and you don't see a lot of boyish women in porn.


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Dec 30, 2010 21:14 as a reply to  @ RDKirk's post |  #18

It isn't just size, though. Halle Berry was outraged when some of her fashion photographs were lightened to make her more marketable. And most models are unusually tall and lean because it's easier to make such women look glamorous. And if you go to YouTube, you can see many videos showing how fashion and photoshop make women appear unrealistic but more marketable. It's silly and demeaning to women but that's how it is. :mad::mad::mad:




  
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Dec 30, 2010 21:34 |  #19

We do have to distinguish between an eating disorder and a drive to keep "fit" for the sake of say a fashion/modeling career or an acting career. Men and women both are compelled to lauch into periods of diets and exercise to lose unwanted body fat and, for the men, to bulk up for, say, an upcoming film role or, like the rest of us "not-so-gamorous" types, just to catch up from month or years of neglect.

And yes, this can reach some less-than-desireable extremes, especially with women.

But anorexia and bulimia are in a whole different category, where the drive to "look good" becomes lost in a compulsion that becomes out of control and leads to the stuff we are discussing here -- an anorexic or bilimic person does not look so good because of the wasting effect the condition has caused.

I think that many people (the great majority of whom are women) with these conditions realize at some point that they are suffering from something abnormal, unhealthy and unattractive, but for the majority this goes back to adolescence, where a psychological "trigger" or triggers often have driven them to desperately resort to what became in time out of control, and they feel powerless to stop the behavior -- it's a deeply engrained habit.

I have a lady friend who I've known for some years and she has strugged with an eating disorder since her early teens -- her mother said some "things" while not meaning to be unkind, triggered the adolescent psyche into flight, and the problem followed her -- she is in her thirties, and has fought with this all this time, sometimes with brief periods of success, but like any such addictive behavior she has tended to relapse. She gets incrementally "better", and yet she still struggles to keep her weight up to and over 110 lbs. And believe me, she has no illusions of "glamor" with this -- she doesn't care about the fashion industry she just battles with her personal demons.

So, I'm just suggesting a balance here. Yeah, the fashion industry and the acting industry may drive some people into that condition, but in reality most sufferers go back to their teens and typically earlier teens where they are not emotionally equipped to deal with things in a "mature" way.

Of course, one can go into extremes without actually having one of these conditions, and things like crash dieting can be seriously unhealthy, as well as produce the "anorexic look", and in that sense, yes, pressure from a modeling career or an acting career are certainly factors, because these ladies need to keep themselves from gaining weight -- that's the facts of life in those industries, but we hope that they don't go that far, 'cause hey, most of us guys like a bit of meat on those bones:)!


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Dec 30, 2010 22:06 |  #20

MP4/8 wrote in post #11543981 (external link)
Guess you don't know too many runners, or cyclists?

It's not anymore prevalent than among the athletic types I mentioned earlier.

You can't blame fashion for people who are a menace to themselves.
It's Darwinism, bit fashion, that is the reason.

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Athletic and to thin are very, very different. As a former active duty Marine I've seem athletic. I've seen many folks that are fit with very low body fat and some of these models are very different. Most of these models stay thin by not being athletic and or healthy.




  
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Dec 30, 2010 22:37 |  #21

What really scares me are all the Pro-Ana websites.
http://en.wikipedia.or​g/wiki/Pro-ana (external link)

It is really scary the "support" they give to each other.


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Dec 30, 2010 23:28 |  #22

Halle Berry was outraged when some of her fashion photographs were lightened to make her more marketable.

She must have gotten over it.

It's kind of interesting how Jessica Alba's skin tone has varied has she's become more or less Latina over her career. Similarly, Eva Longoria and Kim Kardasian. It kind of depends on who the advertiser is selling to at the moment. Just today in a Walgreen's cosmetic section, I noted POS images of Longoria in three different shades.


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Dec 30, 2010 23:53 |  #23

RDKirk wrote in post #11545276 (external link)
She must have gotten over it.

It's kind of interesting how Jessica Alba's skin tone has varied has she's become more or less Latina over her career. Similarly, Eva Longoria and Kim Kardasian. It kind of depends on who the advertiser is selling to at the moment. Just today in a Walgreen's cosmetic section, I noted POS images of Longoria in three different shades.

Heh! That's pretty wild -- I mean, yeah, think of the variety of portrait/glamor processing we see here and compare it to the "natural" look and you'e all over the map, but to have three different "versions" in one place would be pretty bizarre!


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Dec 31, 2010 07:16 |  #24

tonylong wrote in post #11545363 (external link)
Heh! That's pretty wild -- I mean, yeah, think of the variety of portrait/glamor processing we see here and compare it to the "natural" look and you'e all over the map, but to have three different "versions" in on place would be pretty bizarre!

Doesn't surprise me one bit. the whole fashion/advertising/gl​amor scene is bizarre.




  
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Dec 31, 2010 07:29 |  #25

Quad wrote in post #11544044 (external link)
Many influential people in the industry must find the young boy look more attractive to the young girl look....

RDKirk wrote in post #11544187 (external link)
If the industry induces pressure to be thinner than healthy, then the fashion industry as an industry certainly does need to examine itself as much as any other industry does......

The fashion industry and advertising in general do not set standards, they supply a product that sells. If this type of advertising didn't attract $$ in the form of buying product, it wouldn't be there. Blaming the industry is the wrong way to go about it. Blame the people outside the industry that are voting with their pocketbooks. Clearly the vast majority of people out there are influenced into buying product when presented with thin, boy-like models.

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Do males really prefer skinny women? Well, the porn industry is even larger than the fashion industry...and you don't see a lot of boyish women in porn.

Fashion magazines are not targeted to the male population except for a few exceptions. As you mention, there is a whole different industry marketed towards men and they clearly prefer healthy looking women, (with a few exceptions)


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Dec 31, 2010 08:27 |  #26

Does anyone actually believe the fashion industry is geared towards what "real men" would find attractive? When I watch TV it's always women or gay men (no offense to them) that are being depicted as the experts.

As a "real man" I find athletic or so called "plus size" models that have curves (not fake boobs though, not really a fan) the most attractive. I like thin girls (aka "petite") just as much, so long as they are naturally thin and healthy. Do a google image search for Anna Kournikova, she's a 10/10 right there.

Anorexia and bulimia are mental disorders caused by an imbalance of neurotransmitters in the brain. It is not caused by fashion however wanting to be thinner could be a trigger to one of the disorders. I agree that abnormally thin girls (skin and bones) should not be photographed and instead be urged to seek medical help.


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Dec 31, 2010 08:57 |  #27

DStanic wrote in post #11546544 (external link)
Anorexia and bulimia are mental disorders caused by an imbalance of neurotransmitters in the brain. It is not caused by fashion however wanting to be thinner could be a trigger to one of the disorders. I agree that abnormally thin girls (skin and bones) should not be photographed and instead be urged to seek medical help.

This. it's not that they are anorexic so they can be a model.

consider the underlying problem. if your 40 lbs underweight, and you look in the mirror and see a nasty, disgusting fat person, your problem isn't your job, it's YOU.

at the end of the day, though, you can't force someone to do the right thing. Yes, these people need help. but it is ultimately up to that person to wake up to reality.




  
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Dec 31, 2010 09:19 as a reply to  @ Flores's post |  #28

Runway models are skin and bones because the designers want you to look at the clothes not the models. All they want are "walking hangers".




  
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Dec 31, 2010 09:36 |  #29

MP4/8 wrote in post #11543981 (external link)
Guess you don't know too many runners, or cyclists?

It's not anymore prevalent than among the athletic types I mentioned earlier.

You can't blame fashion for people who are a menace to themselves.
It's Darwinism, not fashion, that is the reason.

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And a professional runner or cyclist consumes how many calories a day while training..Cyclist I have read is somewhere in the 10,000 calrorie a day range while the average person is somewhere in the 2,500 range...thats a whole lot different than not eating period or doing a gorge/binge cycle...I have a friend whose brother runs marathons..and he can eat quite a bit at a sitting...and it doesnt show....just gets burned up..

And it is something you can develop..my father who is 74 and has never weighed more then 140 in his life, is down to 115 (due to medical issues which have been resolved)...his height is 5'-8"..and he thinks he looks good...he reminds me of some of the pictures of people I saw from the German concentration camps in WWII...before his medical issues he was perfectly happy with his weight...now hes afraid he is going to get fat...


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Dec 31, 2010 10:34 |  #30

"Promoting anorexia" in fashion modelling originally has more to do with practicality than promoting that being rail thin is "beautiful."

Think of a dozen women that you know that you consider to be healthy, average weight. They probably vary between 5'1" and 5'10", some curvy some not, some large busted some small. Now try to plan a fashion show or photo shoot so that every model can wear you design line. You would have to alter or reproduce each and every piece in your line twelve times for every single model. Why? Because women who carry even modest weight have an infinite number of body configurations.

Now, take twelve women all between 5'8" and 5'10" and 105 and 115 pounds. They will likely all fit well into the same dress with minimal alterations. Then at the same time, a woman who picks up a magazine has an easier time deciding how dresses will look on her if all the models wearing them look basically the same.

Now, don't get me wrong, it's a tragedy that women, particularly teenagers, see this body image everywhere they look and think they must force their bodies to match in unhealthy ways. But at the same time, minus the extremes, there are women who fit this body type naturally so I have hard time buying into the fashion industry promoting anorexia. I'm sure there are some designers or directors that think all women are "fat" and are probably belligerent about it, but how prevalent that is I don't know.

To me that's like saying horse racing promotes people being tiny. But someone 6'4" 260 lbs is simply impractical in horse racing. Sadly, that industry experiences the same situation as bullemia is rampant among jockeys who naturally we more than 110 lbs.


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