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Jan 04, 2011 17:46 |  #31

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Quick question. Does anyone actually buy or use calendars any more?

Yes, I do all the time. In fact I do a calendar of my images from the year for the family as part of their Christmas presents, and they seem to like it. It makes me go through and pick out what I like and don't like and think about why. I also get calendars from other folks and still put them up in the house to jot notes on like Harm said. I still use my cell/Google calendar for key things, but for little notes here & there, a little hangup calendar is perfect.

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You could let all the judges for that month judge the monthly winning image (can't choose your own) or open it up to the entire community by poll.

I like that idea too!

Gail, +1 on your comments about the LMSYS thread too.:)

Jon, I see you got the the Ga Tech game after all. Was this another one or a reschedule of the one that got postponed? Did you have to get special credentials for that?


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Jan 04, 2011 18:42 |  #32

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We know{mostly} each others bent on photos.

Bokeh, bokeh, bokeh.... :)




  
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Jan 04, 2011 19:33 |  #33

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One thing I wanted to ask you about. In your image of the shuffling feet and undercarriage you chose to black out the car body which I though was a great idea and I wonder how you decided to leave half the frame black versus cropping into a panoramic form. Most certainly black is void of visual data forcing the eye to the feet. Always curious about the decisions one makes when presenting an image.

Technically, the underside of this vehicle is on the verge of being blacked out. I did not balck it out any more on purpose, and wanted some faint detail there.

Composition of "In Between" was simple, I wanted rule of thirds. Maintaining the upper dark region completes the RoT; this was the shot I wanted. I did try the panoramic crop just to see how it would look, and I didn't like it.

Hope this helps...and thank you again.

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Jan 04, 2011 20:17 |  #34

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Jan 04, 2011 21:46 |  #35

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Thanks Jason.

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Here's a good question for you the judge based on Harm's list above.

Let's say you have 5 photographs that are 1's; one in sports, one in street, one in portrait, one in fine art, and one in still life, and the content is equally engaging in each one. Which photograph wins?

Next question. One image is technically perfect and represents an idiom you are not familiar with or not attracted to and another image is not technically perfect but generates excitement for you. Which photograph wins?

How about an image that by all standards is dark and murky, small in size, and features a solo object on a black backdrop. Another image is soft, low in contrast, and monochromatic in tone and was composed of several images in a composite. What if the rest of the entries were well composed, bright, and pleasant. How would you decide which entry wins?

I ask because I think being a judge of a photography competition is likely the most difficult role a photographer can take. You really have to know how to separate content from feeling and become impartial to every image so the image itself makes a statement on it's own without your personal bias.

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I realize these competitions are for fun and that's great but I also think it is easy to get distracted in the outcome and that can have a detrimental effect if the poster is not aware of the subjective nature of art and the subjective nature of a competition. I have seen folks trash a great image because they didn't understand what they were looking at. No doubt we have individual tastes. I saw images today in S.F. at several high end galleries that I would like to submit to Critique Corner just to see how people respond to them. It's really interesting to me how we decide what is of value and why.

Photographers communicate in a visual language. Like other 2 dimensional art forms photographer speak in line, color, shape, space, implied depth, texture, implied movement, etc. How well you understand that language will determine if you understand the work. Many times we all dismiss and say we don't like things that we don't understand.

A great photographer once told me that a in a great photograph everything in the frame is either helping the image or if its not helping the image, its hurting it.

So if you look at all the things in a photograph and if its not supposed to be there like crap in the background and or foreground. Is the color palette supporting the statement. Is the vertical or horizontal helping create height or width and is that all helping the statement. Is the composition working with all of those other things to help. If not, its hurting the statement. Is the statement supposed to be static or does there need to be implied movement. Knowing how to create these illusions are also part of understanding the visual language.

Then is the image working on more than one level. Usually the simplest images are the shallowest and loose their luster very quickly. The ones that have staying power are images you keep getting a bit more out of with each viewing.

Then come even the bigger questions. Intent of the artist. Is the intent clear or does it take some time to interpret of is it not there. The first question that should be asked when making a photograph by the photographer is why. Therefor the viewer should be able to figure out why.

The problem sometimes with viewing just one image by a photographer is one great photograph no more makes a great photographer than one good at bat makes an MVP. Also if the work is part of an exhibit or a book how is the individual piece working in context of the others. The individual image is like a piece of a puzzle where the whole (the exhibit or the book) is greater than each piece. Is the flow leading from one image into the other.

Sorry I guess that got a little long winded but Joe you touched on something that i think is important.




  
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Jan 04, 2011 21:58 |  #36

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Another aspect is the use of consonance and dissonance to create tension and release in an image. A cluttered background in one image may ruin the impact of the subject and in another generate the tension required to support the subject.

An example is a housewife and house that is perfectly ordered. The opposite is the housewife and house that is completely chaotic. The housewife is central to both images and the setting has as much effect in delivering the visual message as does the housewife subject.

For sure we resonant with order but there is as much power in disorder as there is in order.

Absolutely thats why I think that this statement is about the best and only rule one should follow.
"everything in the frame is either helping the image or if its not helping the image, its hurting it."

If the statement is meant to be chaotic then an ordered background is hurting the visual statement/image and vise versa.




  
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Jan 04, 2011 21:58 |  #37

I hate it when you guys talk way over my head :-)




  
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Jan 04, 2011 22:07 |  #38
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Allen that is correct yet there is a place where helping and hurting doesn't exist ... only when we place a reference of value or perceived value do we enter the duality of what impact the content has on the frame and how the viewer may perceive it.

Monty28428 I spent a short short time with a landscape photographer who knew atmospherics better than most weathermen. He had books on the psychological impact of image on the human mind and that twisted a few screws. Galen Rowell. This next phase of my work in imagery is less to do with being able to make a capture then it is exploring the aspects of an image (all images as a database) and fine tuning some visual statements I want to make.




  
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Jan 04, 2011 22:11 as a reply to  @ jetcode's post |  #39

monty28428 wrote in post #11575546 (external link)
I hate it when you guys talk way over my head :-)

Better than behind yer back Mister;)

I love this discussion! As with Monty..its a little lofty.lol.but I learn.and thats important.;)


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Jan 04, 2011 22:12 |  #40

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Allen that is correct yet there is a place where helping and hurting doesn't exist ... only when we place a reference of value or perceived value do we enter the duality of what impact the content has on the frame and how the viewer may perceive it.

Monty28428 I spent a short short time with a landscape photographer who knew atmospherics better than most weathermen. He had books on the psychological impact of image on the human mind and that twisted a few screws. Galen Rowell. This next phase of my work in imagery is less to do with being able to make a capture then it is exploring the aspects of an image (all images as a database) and fine tuning some visual statements I want to make.

I think that was the point he was making that there should be nothing thats just there and when you look at the greats theres not anything thats just there taking up space. ;) And if stuff is just there then its hurting the visual statement/image.




  
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Jan 04, 2011 22:13 |  #41

I just want photographic definitions of all those fancy words you used above jetcode :-)

Better yet pictures - Us hicks need pictures!

(P.S. I love Galen Rowell's work)




  
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Jan 04, 2011 22:15 as a reply to  @ airfrogusmc's post |  #42

Allen, Joe kindly sent me the link you sent to me previously, Imogene Cunningham, and it does indeed wake up the way I have to look at things, although I bet putting her calla lily in the C&C would get cries of cropping the flower:lol:


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Jan 04, 2011 22:16 |  #43

monty28428 wrote in post #11575622 (external link)
I just want photographic definitions of all those fancy words you used above jetcode :-)

Better yet pictures - Us hicks need pictures!

(P.S. I love Galen Rowell's work)

Heres one of my fav midwest landscape photographers. I did a workshop with him many years ago.

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Jan 04, 2011 22:20 |  #44

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Better than behind yer back Mister;)

I love this discussion! As with Monty..its a little lofty.lol.but I learn.and thats important.;)

If people are not talking behind my back I'm doing something wrong!




  
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Jan 04, 2011 22:21 as a reply to  @ post 11575665 |  #45

Wohoo! Group hug!


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