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Ross ­ Murray
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Jan 05, 2011 14:15 |  #1

Having recently acquired a macro lens, I've gone straight in and done the almost compulsory water droplet shots and I'm reasonably happy with the results, but wondered if there's any way to improve on them.

My set-up was a rubber glove filled with water, taped to a bit of cardboard held above the plastic tub of water. The tub of water was on a blue plastic bag and there was a sheet of paper behind the tub from which the flash was bounced. I know it's not the best photo in the world, but this is a quick snapshot of the setup:

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Hopefully I've given enough information to help you to help me, if you need more please ask.

So it was all set up as described and I did the focussing trick with the pen, putting the tip just where the drop hit the water, and then shot as many frames as I could (trying to time it but never really having much success) till the finger ran out of water. So I got quite a few usable shots, but I feel some of them aren't as sharp as they could be, especially where it's caught the drop above the water.

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So any thoughts, criticism, advice you have would be very much appreciated.

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Jan 05, 2011 19:27 |  #2

is that reflection on the water something in your room? if so id use a bigger blue plastic bag to get rid of it or crop it out. i find it distracting. other than that very cool shots i really like number 2. it looks like the drop is pushing the water.


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Jan 05, 2011 22:12 |  #3

Did you keep your speedlight in that same position the whole time? I recommend trying different angles/distance from the bounce target.. also posterboard is cheap and may help too.

As for focus jumping the ISO up a bit so you can shoot at a higher aperture may help a bit, but as best I can tell that isn't the issue here, the drops simply weren't in focus. Instead of trying to hold a pen tip and focus on that you may want to try laying an object across the tupperware and moving it so the water drops right onto the raised object and then focusing on that area.

Lastly expect to take a LOT of pictures and get only a handful of keepers. I think I shot 500 or so shots and had 20-30 decent shots, many of which looked too similar to others to even keep.

Here is the video I followed for my first attempt at water drop shots:
http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=fwExpFDUC9Y (external link)

I regretfully didn't take a setup picture (your glove is classy compared to my plastic grocery bag setup) but here are shots.




  
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Jan 05, 2011 22:43 |  #4

personally i find the photos are lacking contrast due to reflections of other objects.

to achieve a "clean" look, try using a darker background, a piece of black paper, or if you wanna keep it blue, a darker shade of blue, then surround the water tank with black cardboard to minimize reflection. turning off lights and removing reflective objects (like the shinny metal of the stand and the tripod), or at least cover them with black paper or cloth. stay away from windows and generally any brightly lit objects (like the fridge) and light source, making the flashgun the only light source

on a side note, instead of using white A4 paper, you can use styrofoam board as reflector. they are light and you can easily get a piece as big as a dinning table and cut it yourself to suit your need, where you probably will have a less easy time finding and hanging an A1 size white paper. moreover, the board is stiff and thanks to its width it can usually stand on its own. no need to find paper clips/hanger/paperstan​d anymore.....




  
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Jan 06, 2011 04:50 |  #5

Thanks for the feedback, I think the reflections were from the bag, I'd tried it with different container for the water, and the bag got wet so I think that's what caused that. Now you mention it, it is pretty distracting.

I'll probably try to throw together some kind of enclosed set up for water drops, that way there will be fewer reflections, as you said. I'll see what I can do and post the results.

Thanks again folks.


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Jan 06, 2011 16:04 |  #6

The video that jookius mentions is worth watching for sure. I especially like the tip about modeled background color. After running across the same video the other night I made my first attempt.

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Jan 06, 2011 20:23 |  #7

That is one hell of a first attempt, very nice. I love the infinity look to the water, like it just goes on forever.




  
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Jan 06, 2011 20:23 |  #8

I don't like the background, it doesn't look clean. And I think the splash could be sharper.




  
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Jan 07, 2011 05:19 |  #9

Thanks for all the feedback, once I've built the sturdier set up I'll give it another go with a slightly more powerful flash setting, smaller aperture, coloured card/paper (not a plastic bag!) under the tub, possibly a slightly tighter crop and better focussing (using jookius's focussing method).

Results soon! Just hope there's a few bits of wood in the garage for my set up!


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Jan 07, 2011 11:29 |  #10

I would lower the camera. Your flash should be around 1/32 power shooting ~f/11. Place the card you are reflecting off up against the pan with the water. I would print some kind of design on it if you want more than a solid color. I noticed most of your shots were out of focus; use a pencil to focus on where the water will drop.

If you click on my flickr account in my sig i recently took a shot a water drops. I just used a 13x9 glass pan with nothing underneath it; my flash was reflected off a red and blue paper that I just simply made in photoshop


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Jan 07, 2011 11:35 |  #11

Checkout this video

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=fwExpFDUC9Y (external link)


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Jan 07, 2011 11:38 |  #12

Ross Murray wrote in post #11590648 (external link)
Thanks for all the feedback, once I've built the sturdier set up I'll give it another go with a slightly more powerful flash setting, smaller aperture, coloured card/paper (not a plastic bag!) under the tub, possibly a slightly tighter crop and better focussing (using jookius's focussing method).

Results soon! Just hope there's a few bits of wood in the garage for my set up!

keep in mind paper change colour when they get wet....... in case you overlooked




  
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Jan 09, 2011 10:48 |  #13

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I've changed my set up but it's made from a cardboard box so not especially sturdy, but I'm still struggling to get the focus just right. I initially tried using a pen - but that wasn't very successful (as seen in the first post's pictures). This time I tried to use an old credit card (hoping the writing would give me something easier to focus on) and it seemed to work a bit better. I used a smaller aperture this time. The flash was through a yellow sheet of plastic (folder divider) and the bowl was on a white base with pinkish paper behind. Still not incredibly happy with my shot, but I feel it's an improvement on my first effort (arguably not especially hard to beat!).

One thing I was playing about with was using a longer exposure time with the flash. The aim was to freeze the drop and get the water in the bowl to be smoother. None of them turned out particularly well, but I'll be giving that another go as I think it could work well.

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Jan 09, 2011 16:26 |  #14

Got a setup shot? This looks like it would have been good but you weren't getting enough light.




  
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Jan 09, 2011 16:42 |  #15

You are getting there man, I like the colors!


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