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Jan 07, 2011 15:59 |  #1

i often find the white balance to reddish or to yellowish, i prefer cooler colors
so today i started to try the white balance compensation feature and i actually liked it
do you guys use this feature ?
here are some examples, just for test purposes, not my best pictures

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Jan 07, 2011 16:37 |  #2

If you're shooting JPEG it's probably your best chance of getting a pleasing (not necessarily most accurate, but most the way you want it to look) white balance; if shooting RAW, it's basically irrelevant. If you're shooting JPEG and want the most accurate white balance, you'll probably want to do a custom white balance for each individual lighting situation.


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Jan 07, 2011 17:20 |  #3

I'm not clear what you mean by "White Balance Compensation" -- is this a feature of newer cameras?


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Jan 07, 2011 17:49 |  #4

hard to tell with the WB all over the place! The last one looks close on my monitor. The candles are red red and the holder and housing appear black.

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Jan 08, 2011 01:56 |  #5

tonylong wrote in post #11594575 (external link)
I'm not clear what you mean by "White Balance Compensation" -- is this a feature of newer cameras?

my mistake in dutch it is compensation, in english menu it is wb shift:

WB Shift / BKT • Shift: B9–A9, M9–G9
• Bracket: BA+/–3, MG+/–3 Configures WB shift and WB bracketing

it is in the second menu


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Jan 08, 2011 03:25 |  #6

MICHELP wrote in post #11596872 (external link)
my mistake in dutch it is compensation, in english menu it is wb shift:

WB Shift / BKT • Shift: B9–A9, M9–G9
• Bracket: BA+/–3, MG+/–3 Configures WB shift and WB bracketing

it is in the second menu

OK, so that would have to come with a lot of practice in various lighting situations. I shoot Raw and do such indoor shoots "on the fly" -- if doing close-up shots where White Balance was critical, I'd either use a White Balance target or a Custom White Balance to ensure I "get it right in-camera"...


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Jan 08, 2011 04:54 |  #7

First let me state that I consider white balance to be an aesthetic/creative tool like any other of the adjustments a photographer can make and I am rarely concerned with great accuracy. Moreover, I find that my personal taste also tends toward the cool side (although I think you have gone too blue for me). However, there is one case in you have to rein in your creative genius and that is in portraits. Human brains are genetically very sensitive to skin tone; it is one of the tools, like body language, that we use to gauge the frame of mind of people we encounter and if the skin color in a portrait is not good, the viewer will sense it immediately. What are good tones? Look at this chart
http://retouchpro.com/​pages/colors.html (external link)
and you will see that the RGB colors are always in a descending relationship - blue is less than green which is less than red, like 200/170/150. This is not true in your first pair of photos. The blue is too strong.

The easy way to get it right is to shoot RAW. When you use RAW the WB is not set in the camera at all, you set it later in your computer. When you shoot a jpg you are guessing what the WB will be, other than making a custom WB you have no creative control. True, you can adjust the color of the jpg afterwards in your computer, but that means doing it twice which causes a loss of quality. When you do it once in the RAW converter you are free to try all sorts of settings until you find the right one. If your monitor is calibrated you can judge it visually, but even if it is not the converter will give you a numeric readout, so you can do it "by the numbers".

One more point, in your first photos the red channel is blown. If you had shot RAW you would have had more exposure headroom and (since the blown channel is very likely caused by the WB and not present in the RAW data) the blown highlight could have been prevented or recovered.


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Jan 09, 2011 19:42 |  #8

tzalman wrote in post #11597257 (external link)
One more point, in your first photos the red channel is blown.

Elie, what shows you that? Levels?
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Jan 10, 2011 04:28 |  #9

Oops, I have to apologize. The red channel is not blown. I measured the highlight values on the face using an applet called ColorPic and it showed values of 255. Today I remeasured using Picture Window Pro (my long time pixel editor) and DPP and realized my mistake. Now I need to figure out why ColorPic did that. I am very sorry if I mislead anybody.

And thanks to ncjohn for causing me to reexamine that statement.


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Jan 10, 2011 05:17 |  #10

What has my attention is that the game "Yahtzee" is called "ScoreBlok" where you live.


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Jan 10, 2011 08:51 |  #11

Gatorboy wrote in post #11609461 (external link)
What has my attention is that the game "Yahtzee" is called "ScoreBlok" where you live.

I thought those were losing lottery tickets.


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Jan 10, 2011 09:32 |  #12

I use a colorright pro for white balance adjustments on the fly.




  
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Jan 10, 2011 14:40 |  #13

tzalman wrote in post #11609375 (external link)
And thanks to ncjohn for causing me to reexamine that statement.

Just to be clear: I didn't realize you had made a mistake:); I was just wondering how you determined that the red was blown out. After reading your latest post I see how to do it.




  
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