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Jan 09, 2011 10:11 |  #16

24-70L = $1300

Sigma 30 + 50 1.8 + 85 f1.8 = $925
Add a 430EX II and a diffuser = $320
Total = $1245

This route won't make you feel like you are saving for an eternity. You can buy one piece at a time and have fun playing with your last purchase while saving for the next.

In my opinion, a flash can make a huge difference in the quality of your pictures. Lighting is just as important as glass. The best lens with bad lighting will make less than desirable pictures.

Additionally, fast primes will teach you a lot about angle of view and depth of field.

If you want a zoom, get the 17-55 IS = $1060.


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Jan 09, 2011 11:57 |  #17

The point is that buying an expensive lens will not make you a better photographer. Buying a fast prime if you've never had one, probably will.




  
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Jan 09, 2011 12:58 |  #18

SexyRed wrote in post #11603809 (external link)
50 1.8 on a budget

Haven't these got a reputation for being poorly built and prone to fall apart though?


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Jan 09, 2011 13:20 |  #19

You sound like a student on a tight budget, so yes an inexpensive prime such as the 50/1.8 might be a useful lens to experiment with. Be aware though that on your camera this is a short telephoto lens. Very appropriate for portraits, perhaps, but possibly a little limited in its scope. A street shooter, for example, might want a more "normal" to moderately "wide" lens, which would be 30, 28, or 24mm to around 20, 18mm or so, on your camera. A wildlife or sports shooter would generally want more powerful telephotos, 135mm and longer on your camera. You actually already have these focal lengths with your zoom, altho a bit limited on both the wide and telephoto ends. But you can experiment with them.

Most SLR shooters don't "make do" with a single lens, zoom or prime. That would sort of defeat the purpose of an interchangeable lens SLR camera. The whole point of an SLR is the ability to fit a lens that's most appropriate for a particular type of photography, as needed. Of course, you have to have first some idea what you want to shoot and how you want to shoot it!

It sounds as if, although you have some movie/video experience, you have more basic learnin' to do about still photography.

First, learn to use the camera's AF. There are a number of things you can do, if you aren't already. Step one is to stop using All Points AF. That just leaves it up to the camera to choose the point of focus. I recommend scaling back to using a single point, manually selected. Often the center point is the best, since it generally has additional sensitivity compared to the other points. But don't be afraid to use other focus points when needed, individually selected so that you are in charge of where the camera focuses.

Use AI Servo for moving subjects (also works for non-moving subjects), One Shot for non-moving subjects with a higher degree of accuracy. You can set the camera to give you focus confirmation with One Shot... flashing the green LED in the viewfinder and/or giving you a "beep". Forget about AI Focus, which is supposed to decide for you whether or not the subject is moving, then choose one of the other two focusing modes. It's slower to respond, in my experience.

You also have some other focusing options, with that cool articulated LED on the 60D and Live View. I don't use them enought to really advise, so check the manual.

You also might want to set the viewfinder diopter to your vision. Easiest way is to remove the lens, hold the camera in front of your computer (with a plain white document of something) or another evenly illuminating light source, then dial the diopter + or - until the AF boxes in the viewfinder appear as sharp as possible. This should correct for any failings of your current eyeglass prescription, when taking the photos. This won't help you when viewing those images later on your computer monitor, though.

Personally, I also use "back button focusing" which you can find more info about here on POTN with a search, if you wish. Canon also has info about using this method on their website. Mainly, "thumb" focusing separates the AF function from the shutter release button. It's an old Canon sports shooter technique, but certainly isn't limited to just sports photographers and largely eliminates focus errors that happen when using single point and not always composing with the subject precisely in the center of the viewfinder. With AI Servo you can do maintain focus on moving targets by holding the button down with your thumb continuously... before, during and after exposure(s). With One Shot, you can just press the button until you hear or see confirmation, then lift off the button and focus will stay where it is (actually you can do the same with AI Servo, but you don't get the confirmation and it might not be quite as precise as One Shot). Check it out, if you want to give it a try. It only takes a short time to get used to, becomes second nature to focus this way quickly and puts you in full control of the point of focus. It's similar to manual focus in some respects, but faster and more accurate than I ever was manually focusing my lenses!

I'd also suggest you get some books and study them. In addition to the manual you got with your camera, one of the third party guide books such as the Magic Lantern series, that are specific to the camera model, can be very helpful. These sort of pick up where the manual leaves off.

"Understanding Exposure" by Bryan Peterson is another book I'd highly recommend. It really should be on the "must read" list of every modern SLR user.

There are books about specific types of photography that give a lot more good info about lens choices. But you first need to know what you want to shoot.

I don't have the 18-135, so really can't comment about that particular lens. However, I bet like most lenses that it has a "sweet spot" aperture where it gives sharpest images. I'd suggest trying f5.6 or f8, to see how those work for you. You might be able to improve your results with it by adding a lens hood and, if you have one fitted, removing any "protective" filter and leaving it off until it's actually needed.

18-135 is a pretty nice range of focal lengths. It covers the all the main focal lengths that most 35mm film film shooters ever owned in their lifetimes (equivalent on your crop sensor camera to approx. 28mm, 50mm, 70-210mm that were the most common lenses used by "full frame" film shooters in days gone by).

If you can't find anything to photograph, you aren't looking hard enough. I've never been anywhere that I couldn't find an interesting (to me) photographic subject within a few minutes of looking. Just keep looking! Don't be too quick to add a lens right now. Learn to get the best out of what you've got, then you'll prbably have a better idea what you actually need, to get the shots you want.


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Jan 09, 2011 14:28 |  #20

x_tan wrote in post #11602642 (external link)
I believe that you should get the best out your current lens 1st; just post some photos into C&C section, and lets guys in POTN to help you improve your skill.

Good luck :-)

I agree. So many times I have seen members post that their new camera / lens isn't a good copy. Something is wrong. Soft pics, bad focus.....etc, etc. Turns out in many cases that there is a fault in the interface between the camera and the ground.
When I first got my 7D, I thought I had a bad one (like many others here), but I did some reading and found out what I was doing wrong.

Enjoy your 60D, and I will bet you can get some great pics out of the lens you have.


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Jan 09, 2011 14:50 |  #21

My friend had an 18-135 and the pictures he took were fine. No, it's not the most amazing lens, but it's not nearly bad enough to be a scapegoat for poor pictures IMO.




  
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Jan 09, 2011 16:14 |  #22

As stated by the late Buddy Holly, "I don't know what I want, but I want it right now".

Is your lens "soft", or are you relying upon opinions from others stating softness? Post some shots to give us an idea. I wouldn't jump into a new lens until you see what you want to do. Yes, a 50 1.8 would be a good first step into primes, and for the minimal price can give you an idea of what can be done with a low-cost prime. In fact, I'd suggest picking up a 50 1.8, take some shots and see if your original lens is "soft" by comparison of details. You may be pleasantly surprised!


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Jan 09, 2011 16:34 |  #23

Thanks for the suggestions, those of you who have made some, and thanks for any other random advice that has been made. I'll try to get a thread up in C&C soon, and if you guys think it'd be a good idea to link to my blog, where I'll be posting a great deal of my photography, I'll do that too. Especially since I linked it to my flickr (which only has one photo, anyway, because I haven't really started uploading much yet).

And, for the record, I adore my camera and the awesome focal length on the lens is a massive plus for me. I eventually plan on getting at least a few primes, but that's something for the future. I can't say much for what I will be shooting, because I could be living somewhere very different a month from now, or I could not. I'm facing the potential of an AMAZING 2011.

I also AM shooting at least a little bit every day. I took on what I'm calling Project 365 (this is how I titled it on my blog), which calls for taking pictures and sharing one of them daily for 365 days straight. So far I've got 8 days' worth of pictures done, and am considering a self-portrait for one of the coming days (without a tripod, this will be a big fat challenge, but I embrace it).

I wasn't in a great mental state last night when I posted, btw. I nearly wrecked my mom's car several times trying to get to work because the roads hadn't been cleared of all the slush and snow in several hours, so combining that with the hills and me not knowing the car has ABS means I was scared out of my mind and thought I had broken the brakes. I'm also not kidding when I say where I live is BORING. Sure, there are some things to shoot here, but I've exhausted those options and I'm now feeling apprehensive about driving in this nasty weather, so going out and shooting somewhere else doesn't sound too much fun right now, plus I'd have to pay for the gas, which isn't an option given my constantly drained bank account. I'm not a student anymore, but that only means I'm financially strapped while I pay back my student loans. I graduated with my BA in Film and Digital Media last May from Baylor University and consider it a small miracle I got my degree in four years with less than $25k in debt. I had an amazing photography professor there, though, and got the chance to talk to some Canon reps in person and play with lenses (I admit, I fell in love with the fisheye lenses and all of the fun I could have doing experimental photography with those). I even got a free Canon memory card wallet from them for singing Hakuna Matata.

I can't wait for this weather to clear up a bit so I can go on a photo adventure somewhere without having to worry about sending my car over the side of a hill. With any luck I'll get the chance to shoot some here in the places nearby (I've exhausted the options in town) before I leave, IF I get accepted into AmeriCorps NCCC. Okay, enough of my ridiculously long novel, dinner time for me!


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Jan 09, 2011 17:11 |  #24

I would get a Sigma 30 1.4.....


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Jan 13, 2011 21:13 |  #25

I know folks will toss a stone at me, but with what you say your budget is, dont worry about the almighty L series. You can get some very good glass fairly reasonable. The 50 1.8, or a 17-85 all around lens works very well. Some will bash the 75-300, but its a good starter lens you can get pretty cheap. Really, if your learning, whatever you can get do it and learn it. If you can make a great pic with a low budget lens, then when you can get a highter grade lens, you will be ahead of the game. Have fun, and post some pics. Everyone on this site I have experianced are very helpful and the advise they can give you will take you far. Good luck.


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