Reason not to buy Full Frame

My camera takes nice shots, who cares if it is FF, crop, or medium format. If I'm happy that's all there is to it, I don't buy on the basis of someone elses dogma.

One point not mentioned yet is placement of the focus points on a crop camera compared to a FF camera.

In the viewfinder, due to the narrower field of view in the crop body, the focus points are effectively pushed out to the edges of the viewfinder moreso than in a FF viewfinder. With the focus points at these outer areas and using manual AF point selection, it opens the possibility of more creative opportunities for focusing on subjects that are not in the center of the frame.

I think madman pointed that out in post #11 and it is indeed a good point.

You cannot put a decent L Glass UWA on a crop body and still have UWA. Extra reach on a crop body is all well and good unless you shoot UWA then FF is the order of the day with good L Glass.

dervish99 wrote in post #11609585
You cannot put a decent L Glass UWA on a crop body and still have UWA. Extra reach on a crop body is all well and good unless you shoot UWA then FF is the order of the day with good L Glass.

Don't need L glass to shoot UWA... which underscores my points in my first reply, crop gives you access to other very respectable glass. And define what makes the U in UWA? It most likely means different things to different folks.

dervish99 wrote in post #11609585
You cannot put a decent L Glass UWA on a crop body and still have UWA. Extra reach on a crop body is all well and good unless you shoot UWA then FF is the order of the day with good L Glass.

and why would you just use L glass? my 16-35 got sold the moment I saw Zeiss images

k9trainer wrote in post #11607496
My thoughts are that if full frame was the same cost as crop, most people if not all would buy full frame.

If FF bodies cost the same as crop bodies, I'd probably end up having both. The added tele-reach of the crop bodies alone justifies it for me. E.g. I can slap a 70-300-ish lens on a crop camera and have the equivalent of 112-480mm in a combination that's still small and light enough to carry around all day. When jumping around a 3 mile race-track, trying to capture a 20 minute run from 2 or 3 different angles, I really don't want the equivalent FF setup hanging from my neck (which btw. doesn't exist in Canon's lineup anyway, you'd have to go for supertele primes - which I can't afford).

For the non-tele stuff, I'd love to have a FF camera with some nice primes.

If Canon would introduce an affordable, fast FF camera with the ability to use a "center crop mode" (also indicated in the viewfinder for framing), now that would get me thinking... (EOS 3D? )

sth_ wrote in post #11609670
If Canon would introduce an affordable, fast FF camera with the ability to use a "center crop mode" (also indicated in the viewfinder for framing), now that would get me thinking... (EOS 3D? )

That's a feature I'd really like to see on an FF camera if center crop mode had increased FPS.

1) DoF
2) AF point placement

other than that, FF is overhyped. 85/1.2 on my 1.3x crop has "perfect" DoF because it isn't too thin, nor too thick.

HyperYagami wrote in post #11607791
to some people: 17-55 f/2.8 IS.

I am one of those people.

HyperYagami wrote in post #11607791
to some people: 17-55 f/2.8 IS.

Yep, thats keeping me from going FF.

There was nothing keeping me from buying a FF. I use to have few crop bodies before and I just hate the lack of quality build(water resistance) and optics of UWA. What good to have a water resistant body when there is no way to have a water resistant UWA lens?! The widest you can choose is 16-35 and that would be 25.6 which is not wide enough for me.
other point that I choose FF over crop is the performance at high ISO. I shoot a lots indoors and low light and my crop could't handle.
I was amazed of the quality picture of my 5d2 when I got it. It's just a different animal.

If the cost wouldn't be a problem like the OP said, I'm pretty sure nobody would buy crop. I mean you'll rather shoot with a 70-300 on crop or just have an extender install on a 100-400L beauty on FF?!

weeatmice wrote in post #11609707
That's a feature I'd really like to see on an FF camera if center crop mode had increased FPS.

Surely a significant factor in FPS for FF in particular is the larger mirror.

Depends on what the person wants really..I have no real interest in the 5D2 or FF cams. I like the speed of AF and burst for fast action. So thats why I have never givin any thought to FF as they are not as fast. I have always have had Crop bodies 1DII, 1DIII and now a 7D and I have never once wished I had a FF

phreeky wrote in post #11610029
Surely a significant factor in FPS for FF in particular is the larger mirror.

Nikon D3s is FF and does 9fps and 11fps in DX mode. Granted its expensive but in principle a larger mirror isn't a problem I don't think.