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Anyone using Magic Lantern to get 13 shot HDRs in camera?

 
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Jan 10, 2011 21:09 |  #1

Admittedly, I don't do much HDR stuff, but I do have an interest in it. I know that Canon is pretty lame in their HDR support, and that Magic Lantern allows you to bracket up to 13 shots instead of the default 3 that Canon allows.

I just installed the latest version of ML firmware and after a bit of trial and error, I seem to have it working (the interface is a bit buggy) now.

Anyways, I was just curious if anyone else was using this to any kind of success?




  
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Jan 10, 2011 21:41 |  #2

My 1D mark ii will capture 7 frames.

As for the Magic Lantern, I may have to look into that. Do you have a link to find out more on it?


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Jan 10, 2011 21:45 |  #3

Sure:
The article that got me looking at this:
http://lifehacker.com …r%2Ffull+%28Lif​ehacker%29 (external link)


Note: there's links in there to the firmware.




  
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Jan 11, 2011 06:00 as a reply to  @ Todd Lambert's post |  #4

Todd,

Saw your post and was very interested. But then I saw a ML wiki entry that stated the bracketing could not be done in manual mode - only a priority mode.

Haven't been able to verify this, but if true that's too bad. That flight got canceled before it ever got off the ground.


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Jan 11, 2011 09:29 |  #5

Todd,

From what I have read, this only works on the 5D Mkii, 60D, 550D, and the 7D, right?

I'm curious if it will work on the 50D, but I haven't found anything that confirms that.

As for priority mode, that's fine with me if it will work on the 50D. I'll just set it to Aperture Priority and go with it.

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Jan 11, 2011 09:42 |  #6

From ML:

Number of camera exposure compensation steps between exposures:

Each step is about 1/3 EV, but they do not seem to directly relate to the same EV as displayed on the camera body.

Notes

* This feature is experimental and may have problems.
* Sequential exposures are not as fast as the cameras built-in bracketing right now.
* Must be invoked in liveview mode
* Camera must be in Av, Tv or P modes (not M)

Looks like it needs a little work, but I'm willing to wait. The high popularity of HDR photography will probably facilitate updates and enhancements. Besides, the (hardware) alternative is 300 bucks!


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Jan 11, 2011 09:51 |  #7

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From ML:

Looks like it needs a little work, but I'm willing to wait. The high popularity of HDR photography will probably facilitate updates and enhancements. Besides, the (hardware) alternative is 300 bucks!

See, that is the very reason why I bought my 1D Mk ii. I can capture 7 frames at once and be done. This think sounds like more trouble than benefit at this time. With the 1D I can capture a maximum EV range of 18, which is more than double all other cameras made. Nikon and Pentax come in second with a max EV of 8. Then the next is the 7D and a few other brands at 6. My primary reason for buying the 1D2 was this feature and it makes life so much easier. Even if I'm in a home with a really wide DR, I know I can cover the entire DR in one AEB bracket and I don't have to change anything. With 7 frames, I can capture an AEB bracket of -4 to +4 and the images will be 1 1/3 stops apart.

I think by the time they figure this firmware out, I will already be upgraded to the 1D Mk iii.

Here's the link to the AEB by camera model:

http://www.hdr-photography.com/aeb.ht​ml (external link)


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Jan 11, 2011 09:57 |  #8

Looks interesting...however, can you not just manually adjust your shutter speed to take all the shots you need at the different exposures? That's what I do...


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Jan 11, 2011 10:05 |  #9

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Looks interesting...however, can you not just manually adjust your shutter speed to take all the shots you need at the different exposures? That's what I do...

Sure, but unless you're tethered, you have to touch the camera an introduce movement.

I'm not sure if this supports the 50D or if there are plans to. I've barely followed the project for awhile, assuming that most of it was geared towards video guys (actually, that's the truth) - but when I saw that it extended the bracketing capabilities (one of the big gripes about the 5D2) I thought I'd try it.

I was able to get it working in quick tests in the house last night, but I was in AV mode. I'd like to have M mode as well, but I'm sure I can make do in AV if I have to.

Anyways, I'll play around with it some more and see what comes of it.




  
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Jan 11, 2011 10:12 |  #10

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See, that is the very reason why I bought my 1D Mk ii. I can capture 7 frames at once and be done. This think sounds like more trouble than benefit at this time. With the 1D I can capture a maximum EV range of 18, which is more than double all other cameras made. Nikon and Pentax come in second with a max EV of 8. Then the next is the 7D and a few other brands at 6. My primary reason for buying the 1D2 was this feature and it makes life so much easier. Even if I'm in a home with a really wide DR, I know I can cover the entire DR in one AEB bracket and I don't have to change anything. With 7 frames, I can capture an AEB bracket of -4 to +4 and the images will be 1 1/3 stops apart.

I think by the time they figure this firmware out, I will already be upgraded to the 1D Mk iii.

Here's the link to the AEB by camera model:

http://www.hdr-photography.com/aeb.ht​ml (external link)

And in addition, ponder this: ML has managed to expand the number of bracketed exposures with a soft upgrade. So why can't canon?

I have no data to confirm this, but I've read repeatedly that Canon expanding their bracketing capabilities is consistently one of the most-often requested feature updates. So why can't canon programmers get off their butts to do it, and why won't management let them?

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Looks interesting...however, can you not just manually adjust your shutter speed to take all the shots you need at the different exposures? That's what I do...

Actually, it's much quicker and easier to shoot two different sets of (three) brackets, necessitating only a single manual adjustment on the camera. The advantage of utilizing the bracketing feature is object/subject/camera movement.


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Jan 11, 2011 10:26 |  #11

I see. Although using a sturdy tripod would have negated any movement surely?

There's no chance of bricking your camera with this is there? I see it says you have to load it every time you switch your camera on.


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Jan 11, 2011 11:17 |  #12

I'll stick to adjusting it manually, doesn't take that long. Now if it came from Canon then I might try it.




  
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Jan 11, 2011 15:20 |  #13

Picture North Carolina wrote in post #11617453 (external link)
And in addition, ponder this: ML has managed to expand the number of bracketed exposures with a soft upgrade. So why can't canon

Considering the fact that Canon does offer it on the 1D bodies, I would imagine they can offer it on other bodies. My 1D2 will capture 3, 5, or 7 frames in a single AEB. I use the 7 all the time with my camera.

Maybe Canon just figures if people want that feature....they will buy a 1D body.

They already have the software, they just need to put it in the other bodies.


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Jan 11, 2011 16:01 |  #14

Agreed. I think this is a limitation with the purpose of keeping for their "pro" bodies.

Really stupid, but that's the way Canon works.




  
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Jan 12, 2011 02:12 |  #15

I am a newbie to HDR photography, and watched a seminar by Brain Matiash a few weeks ago. In his webinar, he mentioned some thing called Promote Control for increasing the number of images one can acquire for HDR purposes, the only problem is that it only works with a limited number of Canon and Nikon cameras as noted in the reference here :

http://www.promotesyst​ems.com/products/Promo​te-Control.html (external link)

Hopefully, this is of some interest to some people and it does have the advantage of not having the potential to corrupt your camera's firmware. HTH.

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