As another practical matter, apart from the negative effects of adding glass to the light path, is when you stack filters, and especially brass ringed filters like the B+W, they tend to bind together and can be quite a bother to seperate at times.
IndecentExposure Goldmember 3,402 posts Joined Jan 2007 Location: Austin, Texas More info | Jan 13, 2011 18:29 | #31 As another practical matter, apart from the negative effects of adding glass to the light path, is when you stack filters, and especially brass ringed filters like the B+W, they tend to bind together and can be quite a bother to seperate at times. - James -
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Wilt Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1] More info | Indecent Exposure wrote: As another practical matter, apart from the negative effects of adding glass to the light path, is when you stack filters, and especially brass ringed filters like the B+W, they tend to bind together and can be quite a bother to seperate at times. Actually, the conventional wisdom is if you stack aluminum, they bind for two reasons: You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.php
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r.morales Goldmember 2,296 posts Joined Apr 2007 Location: Bay Area Calif More info | Jan 13, 2011 19:51 | #33 I have reached the point where I frame my shots for cropping . I have not cropped a shot in almost 2 years for vignetting
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IndecentExposure Goldmember 3,402 posts Joined Jan 2007 Location: Austin, Texas More info | Jan 13, 2011 22:07 | #34 Wilt wrote in post #11635476 Actually, the conventional wisdom is if you stack aluminum, they bind for two reasons: 1) during removal too much pressure squeezing distorts the ring and causes more binding, and 2) aluminum self 'bonds' to aluminum. Brass rings better resist distortion, and they also do not bind to aluminum (as well as aluminum binds to aluminum). In the past, when I mounted my KSM CPL, I would just through it onto the B+W UV filter already in place. If I so much as gave it an extra nanometer of turn after it was softly seated it would require an act of God to get it off of there - usually bringing the UV filter with it. Once at a garden, a photog friend noticed me bearing down on the filter and remarked something along the lines of, "and that's why you got to be careful with stacking brass." Apparently it was common problem. I chalked it up to something about a brass surface meeting another brass surface, eachi biting into the other. Perhaps some synergystic gripping effect that doesn't happen with brass on aluminum or plastic, where the aluminum or plastics don't "bite back." Hell if I know, though. - James -
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IndecentExposure Goldmember 3,402 posts Joined Jan 2007 Location: Austin, Texas More info | Jan 13, 2011 22:11 | #35 Wilt, are you sure Kaesemanns don't have extra coating that benefit optics, apart from weathersealing coatings, or some other component to their construction (foils) that differentiated them from standard c-pols optically? I thought I read somewhere (Schneider's website perhaps?) that KSM was something more than just edge sealing. - James -
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Wilt Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1] More info | Jan 13, 2011 22:17 | #36 Indecent Exposure wrote in post #11636644 Wilt, are you sure Kaessemans dont' have extra coating that benefit optics, apart from weathersealing coatings? I thought I read somewhere they did (Schneider's website perhaps). Schneider information claims that the Kaesemann polarizing filter element is better than a non-Kaesemann, but they fail to state qualitatively or quantatively how that 'better' will manifest itself. From Schneider..."Kaesemann pol filters are comprised of particularly ultra-efficient, neutral-color polarization films between specially ground and polished cover glass." You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.php
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IndecentExposure Goldmember 3,402 posts Joined Jan 2007 Location: Austin, Texas More info | Jan 13, 2011 22:25 | #37 There was an exhaustive comparison of filters done not too long ago that made the rounds and I recall KSMs scoring different across some optic metrics than non-KSMs from B+W. I need to find that report anyway. Would be good to have quick reference to it. - James -
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IndecentExposure Goldmember 3,402 posts Joined Jan 2007 Location: Austin, Texas More info | Jan 13, 2011 23:23 | #38 This looks like it: - James -
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Wilt Reader's Digest Condensed version of War and Peace [POTN Vol 1] More info | Jan 14, 2011 00:12 | #39 Indecent Exposure wrote in post #11636611 If I so much as gave it an extra nanometer of turn after it was softly seated it would require an act of God to get it off of there - usually bringing the UV filter with it. Once at a garden, a photog friend noticed me bearing down on the filter and remarked something along the lines of, "and that's why you got to be careful with stacking brass." Apparently it was common problem. I chalked it up to something about a brass surface meeting another brass surface, eachi biting into the other. Perhaps some synergystic gripping effect that doesn't happen with brass on aluminum or plastic, where the aluminum or plastics don't "bite back." Hell if I know, though. Interesting to hear about two brass rings binding. Not too surprising, given the 'bonding' of similar metals, such as aluminum. You need to give me OK to edit your image and repost! Keep POTN alive and well with member support https://photography-on-the.net/forum/donate.php
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clipper_from_oz Goldmember More info | Cant go past tthe Hoya HD DIGITAL CPL....Its a great CPL because it uses 1 stop less of light than normal CPL filters! I have it now on my 24-70l on a semi permanant basis. I only take it off for low light shots its that adaptable to day conditions giving thatit only takes away 1 stop of light Clipper
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Jan 15, 2011 12:35 | #41 Ah, good to know. I'll remember to take off my UV filter then. I've never used a CPL so I wasn't sure if all of them had the rotation ring or not. I only have one friend who is into photography but he doesn't use CPLs so I have never seen one in person. D: Sorry. I guess I'll have to practice adjusting in at home just to get the feel for it so I don't end up dropping it on the field. Claudia
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