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Apr 25, 2013 10:43 |  #6571

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You're right, it doesn't HAVE to be, but it's obviously what he's going for. He got it with the Tigger shot but who'd want that creased material showing up in the lens shot?

I know what he's going for, but I also know the preponderance of people who believe that "low Key" just means a poorly lit subject on black, which is why I made the distinction.

Read this line again:

The thing about low key is you don't want ANY light spilling onto the background or onto the shadow side of the object.

It's that statement that I was responding too.


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Apr 25, 2013 11:05 |  #6572

Just a question of post-processing... no creased material or other... the level of lighting/gamma can be adjusted to taste.

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Apr 25, 2013 12:37 |  #6573

Great as much back as when I showed my softbox with the curtain up and flash pointing out. They were both uploaded via a bad screen. I have a better lens 1, without the cheapo ebay background.
They are both ooc shots no PP, just seeing if the idea /outcome was correct.


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Apr 25, 2013 12:49 |  #6574

Dannybegood wrote in post #15866377 (external link)
Great as much back as when I showed my softbox with the curtain up and flash pointing out. They were both uploaded via a bad screen. I have a better lens 1, without the cheapo ebay background.
They are both ooc shots no PP, just seeing if the idea /outcome was correct.

I think you got the idea/concept right. You might wish to use the umbrella with the black backing (as a reflector) to see if you get less contribution from the spilled light getting reflected from the room behind.


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Apr 25, 2013 13:46 |  #6575

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The thing about low key is you don't want ANY light spilling onto the background or onto the shadow side of the object.

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I beg to differ here. Low key does not mean that there is no background/ambient light etc. It only means that the most of the lighting in the photo falls to the left side of a histogram. A quick google search will turn up multiple examples of low-key images and many have background lights, ambient light etc.

Low-key does NOT mean that there is only one area exposed and everything else is black. Below are three examples. All are low key. In the first there was a main light, a fill light and a back light used, the second used a main and back light and the last used a main and fill. I've used portraits here but this applies to any subject.

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Apr 25, 2013 13:55 |  #6576

Hinson wrote in post #15866581 (external link)
I beg to differ here. Low key does not mean that there is no background/ambient light etc. It only means that the most of the lighting in the photo falls to the left side of a histogram. A quick google search will turn up multiple examples of low-key images and many have background lights, ambient light etc.

Low-key does NOT mean that there is only one area exposed and everything else is black. Below are three examples. All are low key. In the first there was a main light, a fill light and a back light used, the second used a main and back light and the last used a main and fill. I've used portraits here but this applies to any subject.

I'd say the first one wasn't low-key at all, the other two are but saying that I was going to make the point entirely opposite to yours. When I google image searched "Low-key lighting" about 99% of all the shots we're almost completely black background so I don't know what you've been searching on.

I guess what we've come across here is that people have differing opinions about what low-key means and without knowing what the OP was trying to actually achieve, we can only express our own opinions :D

As he's pointed out, he's not even done any PP on these so it's hardly worth worry about about.


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Apr 25, 2013 14:29 |  #6577

We'll have to agree to disagree. I was just stating what I learned in four years of photo school and almost 60 years of shooting, over 30 of those professionally. I could be wrong.


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Apr 25, 2013 15:16 |  #6578

I agree with Mr. Hinson here. Thanks for sharing your 60years experience Mr. H.


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Apr 25, 2013 15:54 |  #6579

Don't forget there's also a difference between lighting the background a bit and what I said which was not allowing spill if it's not intended. The fact that he's only using one light, with a matt black background suggests he wants the black background look.

I'll say it again, without knowing what he was trying to actually achieve it's all speculation anyway. I was trying to advise him how to get the look I thought he was going for.

Instead of picking apart my advice sentence by sentence why not try imparting some of this experience of yours in setting up the shot to look better :D Just a thought.


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Apr 25, 2013 15:57 |  #6580

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Don't forget there's also a difference between lighting the background a bit and what I said which was not allowing spill if it's not intended. The fact that he's only using one light, with a matt black background suggests he wants the black background look.

I'll say it again, without knowing what he was trying to actually achieve it's all speculation anyway. I was trying to advise him how to get the look I thought he was going for.

Instead of picking apart my advice sentence by sentence why not try imparting some of this experience of yours in setting up the shot to look better :D Just a thought.

I showed him how to achieve the effect he's after several pages ago. What we're parsing out now is the appropriate understanding of what constitutes low key. Because that's what people do on the internet. ;)


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Apr 25, 2013 16:54 |  #6581

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Ok thanks, think Tigger is better. The 70-200 looked better on my edit, till I just saw it now. I did not think low key was just 1 spot, so I achieved the look I wanted with Tigger, but that is not low key. Ho-hum. That settles that.

I don't like to wade into these sort of discussions for the simple fact they become very subjective. I will however note the one thing that I think tends to get overlooked in a lot of these sort of situations and it's what is boldened above...the OP is happy with the look he achieved and that says all there is to say. The fatc it's not a "low light" technique by the book - it's the end result and the photographers acceptance of their efforts that's important - not whether it's been labelled correctly.


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Apr 29, 2013 03:11 |  #6585

Classic wife errors, cut the top of your head off in one and hat in another, and didn't get you in the frame in the last one :D


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