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Jan 13, 2011 13:39 |  #1

I just bought the Canon 60D for purposes of my video business. I contract with various organizations to promote their services. Previous gear is a Panasonic PG-400, a standard definition DV camera. However business has been slow and help jumpstart it back, I am going with a Media job board that advertises day gigs.
As the 60D is my main High Def gear, Im afraid that most people and organizations will not take me seriously with DSLR. So should I sell my camera and buy a more mainstream video camera? Or go with my original premise that having smaller aparatus will get me into places that "Mainstream" gear will be overkill. (Sounds weird, I know, but I cant explain it clearer. Tho Im working on it)




  
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Jan 18, 2011 11:13 |  #2

After posting this last week and much deliberation and a potential client telling me "Come see us when you have "Real" gear, I have come to the conclusion that my 60D is not the gear for me.

I will be posting my gear for sale in the FOR SALE forum

Ill Post a link soon.

ETA: https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=987516




  
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Jan 18, 2011 11:16 |  #3

it's not the gear, it's how you use it. The 60d is plenty worthy of producing real results, but it's up to you as the operator to get those results out of it.


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Jan 18, 2011 11:25 |  #4

Chippy569 wrote in post #11665747 (external link)
it's not the gear, it's how you use it. The 60d is plenty worthy of producing real results, but it's up to you as the operator to get those results out of it.

Right. Couldnt agree more, but however, a client's perception and their needs comes first.




  
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Jan 18, 2011 11:47 |  #5

Ditto, I suppose. When you see news of TV shows being shot on DSLR's, you start to see that they have their uses.
Using a dSLR for video is rather cumbersome, which is why it's a more popular choice for (indi) film makers, but even if you do choose to get a camcorder, consider leaving the Canon, as you could use it for special-effects shots where you might need/want a thin depth-of-field. you never know.

Just a word of warning though - there isn't an "upper limit" to what is considered professional. My camcorder is an HPX-370, and to build a usable system based around that body I had to spend a total of $16000, and it still doesn't quite feel like I'm there yet...
Does it produce footage with superior dynamic range, color and detail than my 5D2 and an L-series lens? yes... though it still lacks the ability to isolate subjects at anything other than telephoto or macro distances, and doesn't do too well in low light, but you can't have everything.


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Jan 18, 2011 12:03 |  #6

displaced texan wrote in post #11665812 (external link)
Right. Couldnt agree more, but however, a client's perception and their needs comes first.

Thats when you tell them "Black Swan" used a DSLR for a scene. So did "House", various commercials, some scenes for "No Reservations".


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Jan 18, 2011 12:11 |  #7

themadman wrote in post #11666019 (external link)
Thats when you tell them "Black Swan" used a DSLR for a scene. So did "House", various commercials, some scenes for "No Reservations".

^Yeah, this.

Either way, the method of capture doesn't matter as much as the work put into the production - even a point & shoot can take a good photo in a studio environment - it's just either more or less of a pain in the ass, depending on the system you use.
Edit: It's just that when the production values aren't very high, a pain in the ass system isn't nearly as nice to use as something guaranteed to produce results, unless you're doing it for yourself.


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Jan 18, 2011 12:18 |  #8

themadman wrote in post #11666019 (external link)
Thats when you tell them "Black Swan" used a DSLR for a scene. So did "House", various commercials, some scenes for "No Reservations".

I know that the HDSLR is making inroads into mainstream production, I fear the majority of my clients are not willing to trust the output, regardless of any claims I can make to the contrary.

Breaking the paradigm the HDSLR Vs Traditional Video Cameras is going to be difficult and time consuming. As Im in the business of making money first and foremost, meeting their needs comes at a higher priority than having a wow factor cool gear.




  
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Jan 18, 2011 12:20 |  #9

Kolor-Pikker wrote in post #11666056 (external link)
^Yeah, this.

Either way, the method of capture doesn't matter as much as the work put into the production - even a point & shoot can take a good photo in a studio environment - it's just either more or less of a pain in the ass, depending on the system you use.
Edit: It's just that when the production values aren't very high, a pain in the ass system isn't nearly as nice to use as something guaranteed to produce results, unless you're doing it for yourself.

It all boils down to what can I use to make the money I need to support my family. The client I mentioned was willing to pay 400 per day. I cant pass that money up too many times.




  
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Jan 18, 2011 12:27 |  #10
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The 60D is more than adequate for about anything to do with video, aside from overcranked shots. I've personally shot three television pilots on nothing but 60Ds.


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Jan 18, 2011 12:30 |  #11

displaced texan wrote in post #11666105 (external link)
It all boils down to what can I use to make the money I need to support my family. The client I mentioned was willing to pay 400 per day. I cant pass that money up too many times.

It all comes down to what will get the job done. There are times that having the appropriate equipment in the client's eyes gets you in the door, and that is the most important first step in any job.

Any thoughts as to which direction you will go equipment-wise?


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Jan 18, 2011 12:41 |  #12

so what are you going to buy in it's place?


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Jan 18, 2011 12:41 |  #13

lazer-jock wrote in post #11666175 (external link)
It all comes down to what will get the job done. There are times that having the appropriate equipment in the client's eyes gets you in the door, and that is the most important first step in any job.

Any thoughts as to which direction you will go equipment-wise?

Im going to purchase what I use in my day job.
Sony EX1-R, and other peripheral gear.
Ive had a lot of success and great video output from this gear. Albeit, it does suffer from most HD angst on the low light end, and that's where the HDSLR will shine over traditional gear.
Ive got to get into the clients door first and foremost. This gear will do it for me.




  
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Jan 18, 2011 12:42 as a reply to  @ displaced texan's post |  #14

Well, why not try just plain renting...

Renting is a really good idea when it comes to camcorders, unless you have some special needs that require you to own the unit, not having to own something that could be obsolete or not wanted in a year is somewhat liberating.


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Kolor-Pikker wrote in post #11666234 (external link)
Well, why not try just plain renting...

Renting is a really good idea when it comes to camcorders, unless you have some special needs that require you to own the unit, not having to own something that could be obsolete or not wanted in a year is somewhat liberating.

And, you can make the client pay for "camera costs" ie rental fee.


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