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My 7D hates my CPL

 
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Jan 14, 2011 20:03 |  #1

I know that a linear polarizer kills the AF on most DSLR's so I bought a CPL. Since I didnt have time to test this one, I used it today when shooting a HUGE youth ski event. I checked every few frames and they looked OK through out the day, but when I got home I had to delete over 400 images out of about 550. Most of the keepers were from the end of the day when I took it off because the glare went away and I was shooting in shadows.

Well I guess that is what I get when I bought a $40 CPL instead of a B+W or Hoya..... This might have cost me hundreds if not thousands of dollars.... And I can only blame myself, I know better than that.


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Jan 14, 2011 20:05 |  #2

What did the CPL do to the shots? Can you post some examples?


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Jan 14, 2011 20:06 |  #3

What happened to the ones you deleted?


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Jan 14, 2011 20:08 |  #4

The focus was soft. Not totally blurred, but soft. They became sharp as can be when I took it off.

I deleted them from my PC but they are still on my CF card. I will post examples in a few...


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Jan 14, 2011 20:19 |  #5

im interested to see which brand filter you used.




  
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Jan 14, 2011 20:21 |  #6

Here is a sample image... The CPL was a Vivitar series 1 multi coated CPL.


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Jan 14, 2011 20:22 |  #7

That's a shame. It's why I try not to use brand new stuff on an important job without some testing first.

Cheap, uncoated filters can cause focus errors... Circular Polarizers in particular have two layers of glass, separated slightly by a little space. So there are four air to glass boundaries for light to cross, or twice what most other filters have. So it's particularly risky to use low priced C-Pols.

I don't know about that particular filter... I'd be suspicious, though, of a $40 C-Pol filter, just based upon the price. In 67mm size, the B+W Kaesemann C-Pol that I use (in other sizes) sells for $128.

Vivitar doesn't actually make anything themselves. They just buy things from other manufacturers and have their name imprinted on them. Who knows who made that filter.

It can help to use a lens hood. Did you?

That shot is so OOF, I gotta ask, are you certain it's a circular polarizer, not a linear?

It is possible that the filter in combo with your lens was the problem. An f4 lens effectively becomes an f5.6 or slower, once a C-Pol is added. The filter costs at least one stop of light. Most Canon other than the 1D series you need to use only the center AF point, if the lens is slower than f5.6. And even that will be slowed. Still, I would think the 7D should be able to handle it. I've used manual aperture lenses with mine and noticed that they really slow down a lot at f8 and can't give focus confirmation at all at f11.


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Jan 14, 2011 20:32 |  #8

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Cheap, uncoated filters can cause focus errors... Circular Polarizers in particular have two layers of glass, separated slightly by a little space. So there are four air to glass boundaries for light to cross, or twice what most other filters have. So it's particularly risky to use low priced C-Pols.

I don't know about that particular filter... I'd be suspicious, though, of a $40 filter. In 67mm size, the B+W Kaesemann C-Pol that I use (in other sizes) sells for $128.

Vivitar doesn't actually make anything themselves. They just buy things from other manufacturers and have their name imprinted on them. Who knows who made that filter.

It can help to use a lens hood. Did you?



I always use my hood to avoid flares and to protect the lens as well. the filter I bought was purchased because it was multi coated and a fair price. I just couldnt swing over $100 for the CPL I should have bought.

Here is an image after the CPL was removed....

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Jan 14, 2011 20:42 |  #9

looks to me like the first image is just "shaken"... no IS on the lens you listed... looks more like your error than the 7d...


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Jan 14, 2011 20:46 |  #10

Sorry to hear that, I'd pick up a Hoya HD CLP if I were you. (Has been fine for me so far!)


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Jan 14, 2011 21:00 |  #11

focus.pocus wrote in post #11643222 (external link)
looks to me like the first image is just "shaken"... no IS on the lens you listed... looks more like your error than the 7d...


Shake at 1/2500???? not a chance I am that shaky. I always shoot a fast shutter speeds for the most part and have never felt the need for IS. It was the filter that messed up the AF. How else could you explain my keeper rate with my 7D going from a solid 95%+ to 20%???? Here is an image I shot hand held at 1/15. Yes, hand held...


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Jan 14, 2011 21:01 |  #12

focus.pocus wrote in post #11643222 (external link)
looks to me like the first image is just "shaken"... no IS on the lens you listed... looks more like your error than the 7d...

Poor quality filters will give the same effect, been there, done that... :(


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Jan 14, 2011 21:01 |  #13

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Sorry to hear that, I'd pick up a Hoya HD CLP if I were you. (Has been fine for me so far!)

That is on my list for sure.... If I only.....:lol:


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Jan 14, 2011 21:22 |  #14

Time for me to dust off one of my old mysteries. It happens only on my 100-400 with a CPL mounted. It doesn't matter if it's my cheap CPL or if it's my B+W Kaesemann, they both do the same thing.

The first pic is is using live view, IS turned off as a baseline to how sharp the pic should be. It's a 100% crop of my arbor shot at 1/3200 hand held.

The second pic is the same but using the cameras AF. and the third pic is with IS engaged. It seems as if the CPL does something funny to the IS causing it to oscillate maybe? Whatever it is, it's only on the 100-400 and only when IS is engaged and a CPL mounted.

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Jan 14, 2011 21:22 |  #15

My first batch of filters were all cheap Hoya's. I learned very quickly to throw them away and get something nice. Your problem was definitely the filter.


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