Lightroom Problem . . .

Rubi Jane wrote in post #11695925
Now take the exported JPG and import it, without any presets being applied, back into LR. Then in Library mode view the two images (the edited RAW and the imported JPG version) side by side (X Y) and post a screen capture for us. I still want to see both versions side by side in the same application, LR.

I hadn't tried this yet either. I'll try this tonight.

Dave.H wrote in post #11719110
I know exactly what you are talking about. I haven't figured it out either, what I have found is I can print an image from LR and then from the JPG

Printing using what application and what exact settings?

René Damkot wrote in post #11719962
Printing using what application and what exact settings?

photoshop with ICC profiles from the paper manufacture.

I might just be going crazy. I'm playing with the same photos I was playing with the other day and it seems fine now. Only difference is the ambient light in the room I am working in. Could be the lighting is playing tricks on me or my cheap monitor....

I've seen the same thing the OP is seeing though in pic 4 on the previous page. I'll keep an eye out for it to happen again and when it does I'll do a side by side.

Well, I've played and played and I can't fix this problem. Everything I convert is one or two shades underexposed compared to what I see in Lightroom. SUCH a bummer -- but if I am going to use this program, I am going to have to upload the converted photos in another program and fix the lighting (not fun on jpegs.)

I can't tell if it's Lightroom or my computer. I have used DPP all along and never saw this bad of a problem (though maybe a little under-exposure in the final product.) My computer/monitor are 5-years-old, so I am due for an upgrade anyway. I sure hope the problem is fixed then! (Could a student version of LR have a problem like this?)

I will continue to use DPP for quick jobs, but I still want to continue learning to use Lightroom for all it's great (extra) tools. It seems to have so much more potential than DPP, yet not as complicated as PS.

Have you tried this?

Rubi Jane wrote in post #11695925
Now take the exported JPG and import it, without any presets being applied, back into LR. Then in Library mode view the two images (the edited RAW and the imported JPG version) side by side (X Y) and post a screen capture for us. I still want to see both versions side by side in the same application, LR.

One thing to try is to use the Web module to load a pic into your Web browser and see how it displays (you want to get a single pic into a Quick collection and then just open that collection in the Web module). If your browser is a "generic" Web browser then the pic should show up (I believe) as an sRGB image and give you a chance to "proof" how it will look once you export it and upload it.

Since Lightroom works in a large color space it's possible that you are trying to work with bright colors that just don't transfer well into "generic" color spaces.

YankeeMom wrote in post #12075727
Well, I've played and played and I can't fix this problem. Everything I convert is one or two shades underexposed compared to what I see in Lightroom. SUCH a bummer -- but if I am going to use this program, I am going to have to upload the converted photos in another program and fix the lighting (not fun on jpegs.)

I can't tell if it's Lightroom or my computer. I have used DPP all along and never saw this bad of a problem (though maybe a little under-exposure in the final product.) My computer/monitor are 5-years-old, so I am due for an upgrade anyway. I sure hope the problem is fixed then! (Could a student version of LR have a problem like this?)

I will continue to use DPP for quick jobs, but I still want to continue learning to use Lightroom for all it's great (extra) tools. It seems to have so much more potential than DPP, yet not as complicated as PS.

I had a similar problem once back when i had Windows and used ACDSee. The issue as it has been mentioned is difference in color profiles. Since you export jpegs in srgb already, its not the issue with lightroom, but most likely with windows image viewer.
You can try this, it could help, remove all associated profiles and leave none or try associating one of the sRGB ones:

1.Click Start, type Color Management in the Start Search box, and then press ENTER.
2.In the Color Management dialog box, click to select the Use my settings for this device check box.
3.In the Profiles associated with this device list, click the color profile that you want to remove, and then click Remove.

Note If you receive a warning message, click Yes.
4.Close the Color Management dialog box and then restart the computer to apply the setting.

René Damkot wrote in post #12075852
Have you tried this?

Is this what you mean Rene?

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tonylong wrote in post #12076253
One thing to try is to use the Web module to load a pic into your Web browser and see how it displays (you want to get a single pic into a Quick collection and then just open that collection in the Web module). If your browser is a "generic" Web browser then the pic should show up (I believe) as an sRGB image and give you a chance to "proof" how it will look once you export it and upload it.

Since Lightroom works in a large color space it's possible that you are trying to work with bright colors that just don't transfer well into "generic" color spaces.

Hmmm . . . Tony, I don't know what you mean by "web module" or "web browser"?

French . . . I'll try that. Thanks.

By Web module I mean the Web tab at the far right of the Lightroom window.

Here's what you would do:

Select one image, then right-click and choose to add to a Quick Collection.

In the Library, go to the top of the left Library panel and you will see Quick Collections in the list -- click it to open with just that one image.

Then, click on that Web module tab and that one image will be displayed in a Web page "template".

At the bottom of the page will be buttons -- one will say to Open in your browser. Click that (and wait) -- Lightroom will prepare a Web-size jpeg and display it. I believe it will be in the sRGB color space, which will give you the chance to "proof" how an image would be convered and displayed on the Web.

As to the Windows image viewer differing from Lightroom, the only thing I can suggest is that Lightroom is "reading"/translating your monitor profile and the Windows viewer either is not or is doing it "differently". You can have this with DPP as well. If your monitor is properly profiled it is good to set DPP to use that for color management, otherwise by default it uses an "RGB" profile which is generic. If you don't have a proper profile, Lightroom is just guessing as well.

YankeeMom wrote in post #12077182
Is this what you mean Rene?

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On the left is the edited RAW photo and on the right is the processed (resulting) jpeg.

As you can see -- when I uploaded the jpeg back into Lightroom, they looke the same. When I look at it on my browser (which is Windows Picture Viewer), the jpeg looks, at least, a few shades darker.

So, it seems to be my browser? Funny, but I don't have this big of a problem when I view my conversions from DPP (maybe a little bit darker, but not one or two shades like the LR pics.)

I use Windows XP which has been great for me -- do I need to upgrade??

You probably didn't set your display profile in DPP?

Also: In XP, the picture viewer is not colormanaged.

I do find it strange that your display profile causes this though. (How) did you calibrate your screen? To what gamma?

frenchconnector wrote in post #12076446
I had a similar problem once back when i had Windows and used ACDSee. The issue as it has been mentioned is difference in color profiles. Since you export jpegs in srgb already, its not the issue with lightroom, but most likely with windows image viewer.
You can try this, it could help, remove all associated profiles and leave none or try associating one of the sRGB ones:

1.Click Start, type Color Management in the Start Search box, and then press ENTER.
2.In the Color Management dialog box, click to select the Use my settings for this device check box.
3.In the Profiles associated with this device list, click the color profile that you want to remove, and then click Remove.

Note If you receive a warning message, click Yes.
4.Close the Color Management dialog box and then restart the computer to apply the setting.

Wouldn't you know it? Nothing that says "Color Management" shows up in my search on Windows XP. Even googling it gave me no info. Might it be called something else? (I looked in the control panel, too -- nothing.) GRRR!!!

tonylong wrote in post #12077483
By Web module I mean the Web tab at the far right of the Lightroom window.

Here's what you would do:

Select one image, then right-click and choose to add to a Quick Collection.

In the Library, go to the top of the left Library panel and you will see Quick Collections in the list -- click it to open with just that one image.

Then, click on that Web module tab and that one image will be displayed in a Web page "template".

At the bottom of the page will be buttons -- one will say to Open in your browser. Click that (and wait) -- Lightroom will prepare a Web-size jpeg and display it. I believe it will be in the sRGB color space, which will give you the chance to "proof" how an image would be convered and displayed on the Web.

As to the Windows image viewer differing from Lightroom, the only thing I can suggest is that Lightroom is "reading"/translating your monitor profile and the Windows viewer either is not or is doing it "differently". You can have this with DPP as well. If your monitor is properly profiled it is good to set DPP to use that for color management, otherwise by default it uses an "RGB" profile which is generic. If you don't have a proper profile, Lightroom is just guessing as well.

UGH. This is all frustrating me to NO END. The solutions seem to be "over my head", too -- I'm really very unskilled in computer technology, jargon, and stuff. All I know is that when I process a RAW file in DPP and convert it, it looks almost exactly like what I did in the program (maybe a LITTLE under-exposed); but the LR conversions are dramatically darker. Here is another example -- the same shot I posted before (a jpeg conversion from LR), uploaded to Flickr. See how dark and awful that is?

IMAGE LINK: http://www.flickr.com/​photos/yankeemom/55557​34571/

René Damkot wrote in post #12078015
You probably didn't set your display profile in DPP?

Also: In XP, the picture viewer is not colormanaged.

I do find it strange that your display profile causes this though. (How) did you calibrate your screen? To what gamma?

I don't remember what program I used to check calibration -- I did it several years ago online. I don't even know what "gamma" means. I can say that when I see a normally exposed photo here or anyone else, I can tell the difference. I pretty much see what every other calibrated user sees.

I guess I might just have to play with LR and learn the settings like I want, but then upload the converted jpegs to my other, simple editing program in order to increase the exposure/brightness. I know it's not ideal at all (because of the destruction on jpegs), but I just don't think I can figure out how to solve this problem (mainly due to my limited computer skills.)

I just hope that when I get my new computer (hopefully within a few months), I will not have this problem any more.

XP doesn't have a "Color Management dialog box". There's this color management control panel though: http://www.earthboundl​ight.com …-color-control-panel.html

YankeeMom wrote in post #12083759
I don't remember what program I used to check calibration -- I did it several years ago online. I don't even know what "gamma" means. I can say that when I see a normally exposed photo here or anyone else, I can tell the difference. I pretty much see what every other calibrated user sees.

Using what software?
If the answer is "Internet Explorer": That's not color managed. So, just like windows picture and fax viewer, it won't use your display profile. LR and Photoshop on the other hand, do. So they might display very different.

If you did some kind of visual "calibration", that might well have something to do with it. I've never gotten halfway decent results that way on an LCD.

Find out what your display profile is, and post it here maybe?

The options, about in order of accuracy:

1. Get a Spyder3Pro or so. Calibrate your screen. Best option.
   
2. Cheaper: re-calibrate "visually".
   
3. Easier: Use the manufacturers display profile.
   
4. Simple: Set sRGB for monitor display.
   

René Damkot wrote in post #12084074
XP doesn't have a "Color Management dialog box". There's this color management control panel though: http://www.earthboundl​ight.com …-color-control-panel.html

I'll check that out, thanks!

Using what software?
If the answer is "Internet Explorer": That's not color managed. So, just like windows picture and fax viewer, it won't use your display profile. LR and Photoshop on the other hand, do. So they might display very different.

If you did some kind of visual "calibration", that might well have something to do with it. I've never gotten halfway decent results that way on an LCD.

Yes, I did do it visually 3 or so years ago. I do not have an LCD, but an old "dinosaur" (big, chunky) monitor. I am loathe to get rid of it, mainly because of the WYSIWYG! Everything looks right on every test I take (or any photo, etc. I view.)

Find out what your display profile is, and post it here maybe?



The options, about in order of accuracy:

1. Get a Spyder3Pro or so. Calibrate your screen. Best option.
   
2. Cheaper: re-calibrate "visually".
   
3. Easier: Use the manufacturers display profile.
   
4. Simple: Set sRGB for monitor display.

Edit: DPP should be set up like this: It's the settings in the orange boxes I'm referring to. (I'd use sRGB for work color space to avoid more problems.)
(on windows, there's another option (use operating system profile or so) that should work as well)

Now, this is interesting! My profile looks quite different:

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René has been saying the same thing over and over, but for some reason you are not understanding him. On the Preferences page above, where it says 'Color Matching settings', you have sRGB checked. You should have one of the other two options checked, but if you check the third one, Monitor profile, you will have to browse to your monitor profile and select it and I'm not sure, given your difficulties, that you can do that. So you're lucky you have a Windows system because that gives you the second row to check, something that Mac people don't have (see René's last post). The reason that checking sRGB is not good here (although it is a good choice in the top section) is that it effectively turns off color management - it makes DPP behave like all those other lame, non-color managed programs; Windows P & F Viewer, Internet Explorer, etc. The middle choice, using the OS setting, is what LR does automatically, so now they will be on the same page.

But, and it's a big but, if we have told them to use the OS setting, we should know what it is. So here's how we find out.
1. Do a right mouse button click on some part of your desktop where there are no icons and select Properties.
2. A box will open that says Display Properties on the top. Select the last tab, Settings, and then the button Advanced in the bottom right corner.
3. On the new box choose the tab that says Color Management. In the middle of the box it will say "Default monitor profile:"
4. Please write down what it says is the default profile and post it here.