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Thread started 15 Apr 2003 (Tuesday) 22:32
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Trouble With G2 Focusing

 
ripsur4
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Apr 15, 2003 22:32 |  #1

I am plagued with focusing trouble on my G2 and I'm not sure why. I've tried AF, MF in all types of exposure settings and I get blurred images about 1 or 2 of every 4 pics. I'm getting tired of erasing images because they are blurry. I've even used the flash many times where it is required and the images still come out blurry at times--I don't get it. What am I doing wrong or is the lens screwed-up. When I turn on my camera, I did notice recently that there is some "play" in the lens if I grab the housing and jiggle it--is this normal? Thanks for the help.....




  
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Don ­ Ellis
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Apr 16, 2003 02:46 |  #2

Stop grabbing that snout! Now!! The play is normal.

Ok, let's review my qualifications for answering this message: 1) I seldom have a focusing problem, and 2) I quit reading all the posts about focusing problems because they're repetitive and half the people get blurry photos and the other half don't.

But I'll jump in anyway... often the problem is slow shutter speeds and unsteady hands. Take a look at the EXIF data for your blurry shots and see if the shutter speed is below, perhaps, 1/50th or 1/60th of a second. If it is and you're not braced and breathing right and pushing rather than jabbing the shutter button, you'll have camera movement and blurry photos.

(Sorry if this is too basic... you don't mention your camera experience.)

I have, however, had problems with flash focusing -- where you'd never think you'd have a problem. I also have a friend who has the same trouble. I've learned to switch to Av mode and set the f-stop to 4.0 or 5.6. That has solved nearly all my flash focus problems.

Now you'll have to tell us more. Examples and EXIF data always help in finding solutions.

Best regards,

Don




  
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jmhobbs
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Apr 16, 2003 15:29 |  #3

Don is right, more information will help troubleshoot. Still, I'll take a stab in the dark.

One of the big adjustments for me when I first started using my G2 is that it's focus mechanism is sloooooowwwww. At first, I had a lot of blurry pictures too. I was used to just pressing the shutter release and everything happing within a fraction of a second.

I discovered the following was happening:

1) I compose the shot so that the center focal point was on the subject I wanted in focus

2) I completely depress the shutter release button

3) The G2 tries to lock focus on my desired subject

4) Subject moves

5) G2 fails to lock focus, or locks onto subject's original position.

6) Since I still have the shutter release button depressed, the G2 fires the shot whether it has a good focus lock or not.

When I started pre-focusing, my results were much improved.

Jon




  
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Darrell_F
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Apr 16, 2003 18:37 |  #4

Welcome to the world of Canon. If you think focus is tough, wait until you try to use an accessory flash.
The best information that I have found on dealing with G2 focus was in a posting from ND from Australia. I saved it as a local document. I wish I had his name so that I could give proper credit. I found his advice to be very helpful. I was focusing on faces until I read this. My out of focus shots have been greatly reduced just by focusing on something with a vertical edge. His posting follows:


Like many people I’ve had a few problems with the G2 autofocus. After moving from an EOS SLR to the G2, I was initially getting a significant number of out of focus pictures. Having worked through the issues and learnt to work differently when using the G2, I now get reliable focusing and have very few out of focus pictures. It’s made using the G2 a lot more enjoyable. Here are a few tips for getting more consistent focusing from the G2.

1 The G2 focuses by racking the lens from infinity to 70cm and selecting the point of highest contrast. It takes a few hundred milliseconds to do this and it's best if the target is stationary during this time. The LCD display freezes while the camera is racking the lens.

If it does not find a point of high contrast after racking through the complete focus range, the orange rectangle appears and it will set the focus to 2m if at wide angle end of the zoom and 3m at the tele end.

(Note that this is quite different to the auto focusing system used in the EOS cameras. They use a phase detection method of determining the correct focus distance and can drive the lens directly to this distance.)

2 The G2 uses the horizontal readout from the image sensor for focusing. Hence it requires a vertical edge with reasonable contrast to focus on. As it uses the horizontal readout it will not focus on horizontal edges. These run parallel to the sensor and create little change in the output signal.

3 The G2 uses the luminance or green signal from the image sensor for focusing. Hence it does not focus best on purely red or blue objects. These have a relatively low contrast to the sensor.

(This is different from the autofocus sensors used in the EOS cameras whose spectral response peaks in the red part of the spectra.)

4 The focus assist light throws a beam that is offset slightly from the central focusing area. As the lens optical axis and the axis of the assist light are not parallel, the left edge of the illumination beam will fall within the central focus area. This gives a nice contrasty vertical edge that the G2 can focus on. This feature enables the camera to focus on a plain white wall in complete darkness. Though the power of the light limits the focus range to around 2 - 2.5m depending on the colour of the subject. Beyond that you need to go to manual focus.

5 The 550ex flash focus assist throws a red pattern of horizontal bars. It is optimal for the multi point wide area focusing system of the EOS3 and 1V cameras. But it's the wrong pattern and colour for the G2's system. It would be nice if it would work and give you lots of extra focusing range, but it doesn't. That's why the designers have disabled it and unfortunately we’re stuck with the built in light of the G2.

6 The above reasons mean that the G2 won't focus reliably on faces, white T shirts, moving objects, items that contain no vertical edges or are of low contrast. In these cases look for a vertical edge at a similar distance you can focus on, or estimate the distance and go to manual mode. If you are taking a landscape photo, quite often the focus spot is covering a horizontal horizon, or a relatively featureless part of the landscape. Don't be surprised if you get a orange lamp and the focus defaults to 2m. Use one of the other focus points or go to manual and set the focus at infinity. Ie when taking a picture, always pay attention to the focus indicators.

(Note: The autofocus system on the Elph and many other compact cameras use the reflection of an infrared beam from an object to measure its distance. These work best when they are pointing at light objects such as faces or white T shirts.)

8 Know the depth of field for each aperture and focal length of the camera. Know the hyper focal distance for each focal length. Have this as a table stuck to the back of the camera. That way you can very quickly set the focus manually without having to peer at the tiny pixelated magnified view on the LCD display.

9 Always hold the camera steady and use a tripod if the camera shake warning appears.

10 For optimum sharpness do not use f8. At f8 the lens aperture is very small, around 1mm, and diffraction occurs which results in a softening of the image. On the G2 the sharpest pictures occur around f4 to f5.6.

11 To check the focus and exposure immediately after taking the picture without entering replay mode, press the set then display buttons to bring up the histogram, flick the zoom lever twice to magnify the view and check the focus. If either focus or exposure is off, reshoot the picture.




  
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ripsur4
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Apr 16, 2003 23:35 |  #5

Gents, thanks for the great tips! I appreciate it. I have had the G2 for about 6 months so my experience with the camera is still somewhat limited. I have tested the camera in all types of settings (lightning photography, astro, lanscapes, sunsets, and my favorite and most difficult--using the Kenko tele lens for surfing action shots) I will experiment using your tips--thanks again!




  
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suemccartin
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Apr 18, 2003 16:43 |  #6

All great suggestions but I find that if I press the button half way down and wait for the beep and the green box then I don't get many bad ones unless using full digital zoom, those are often a little soft, I don't recommend going over 8.5x or whatever it is, 11x is persistently soft in my experience. Just turn into a compulsive prefocuser and you'll be much happier with your results.




  
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ajax
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Apr 22, 2003 22:41 |  #7

Sue: I am embarrassed to report that I was not aware of the significance of the green box. Thank you SO much for that seemingly small tip. It has made a big difference. [I was doing ok with focusing other than close-up and macro shots.]

I wonder what else I might find in the user's manual? *grin*




  
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dgkimpton
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Apr 25, 2003 07:39 |  #8

The G2 uses the luminance or green signal from the image sensor for focusing. Hence it does not focus best on purely red or blue objects.

That was critical need to know information. At last I understand when pure blue flowers are such a pain :)




  
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ThomasL
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Apr 25, 2003 16:41 |  #9

darrell_f wrote:
10 For optimum sharpness do not use f8. At f8 the lens aperture is very small, around 1mm, and diffraction occurs which results in a softening of the image. On the G2 the sharpest pictures occur around f4 to f5.6.

Thanks for the great tips. The one above makes me wonder... I am using F8 a lot to get the greatest depth of field, and I always thought that using a wide open aperture would lead to quality problems. I wonder how much difference F8 and F4/5.6 would make... will definitely do some testing in this area.




  
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rkhndjr
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May 05, 2003 20:09 |  #10

FWIW, digital cams have much greater DOF than SLR, so try to shoot at f2.5 to f5 at highest. I am nearly 78 years old and have had my G2 for 4 months with not a single blurry picture, or very few of even poor exposure. None that can't be edited easily. In another forum it was said to start with your new camera in one hand and the user manual in the other, begin taking pictures and don't stop until every feature of the camera becomes just second nature to you. Great advice which I followed. LOL




  
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velociraptor
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May 06, 2003 08:38 |  #11

Rkhndjr,

You mention another forum. Is that possibly another G2 oriented forum? If so, could you give a URL to it? Or maybe it is just a general digital camera forum?

Thanks...

-mike
http://www.mcallahan.n​et (external link)




  
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rkhndjr
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May 06, 2003 12:01 |  #12

Here it is. A great forum with something for everyone.
http://www.dpreview.co​m/forums/forum.asp?for​um=1006 (external link)




  
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ThomasL
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May 06, 2003 13:16 |  #13

I did a little test, taking the same macro picture with aperture 2.5 and 8. The first one shows less detail and colorful blue and red fringes, while the one taken at 8 looks much better.

I guess using the +4 diopter introduces flaws which are hidden at closed apertures and visible at wide open ones.

YMMV :D




  
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