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Jan 16, 2011 09:53 |  #1

Since getting back into photography, I've noticed comparisons between prime lenses and zoom, and wanted to do a test of my own. The idea behind this test was to get a 'general' idea of the detail and contrast between the Canon 50mm f/1.4 and the Canon 35-135mm f/4-5.6.

1. For starters, this picture is simply of the fireplace mantle in my own home. The idea of using this shot is because there are quite a few different items which have good detail, and depending on the resolving power, of the lens, may or may not show up in the cropped picture.

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#2. The cropped picture comparison.
You will notice the Roses have words engraved into them saying "I Love You XOXO". No one could read what this said with the naked eye, from where the camera was set up. So, the resolving power of the lens is depended on to actually catch that detail.

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Notice the zoom didn't really pick up the words until f/8.0? Both lenses had the same spot to focus on, and the setting for focus was on 'spot'.

In the next few months I'm looking to buy the 24-70L and am anxious to use this same test to see how will it compares.

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Jan 16, 2011 10:06 |  #2

I think you are going to discover that the 24-70 has a lot more in common with the 50/1.4 for IQ than it does with that 35-135.


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Jan 16, 2011 10:06 |  #3

Thanks for taking the time to do this test - but it should be no surprise that a good prime will have better IQ than a mediocre zoom at the same FL/aperture and other settings...especially the older 35-135mm. However, some of the new L zooms (ie. 24-70, 70-200, EF-S 17-55, etc..) have closed the gap a bit and have come a long way.


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Jan 16, 2011 10:09 |  #4

No surprise here - you've got a fast prime stopped down more than two stops vs. a zoom wide open.

The results are exactly what one would expect. With the 24-70 you might have a little more apt a comparison just because that's a lens somebody could reasonably use in place of the 50mm f/1.4.


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Jan 16, 2011 10:21 |  #5

folville wrote in post #11651662 (external link)
No surprise here - you've got a fast prime stopped down more than two stops vs. a zoom wide open.

The results are exactly what one would expect. With the 24-70 you might have a little more apt a comparison just because that's a lens somebody could reasonably use in place of the 50mm f/1.4.

The idea behind the 24-70L is for my wife. She loves to zoom, and the 35-135 doesn't cut it when taking pictures in-doors. So, I'm hoping the larger apature of the 24-70L and resolving power, will make her happy.


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Jan 16, 2011 10:28 |  #6

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No surprise here - you've got a fast prime stopped down more than two stops vs. a zoom wide open.

The results are exactly what one would expect.

This is what I would have expected 30 years ago maybe. The zoom in this comparison is so soft I doubt I'd ever use it personally.

(as an aside, in tests like this where a lens gets sharper when stopping down, a lot of people assume that this shows that the lens is soft wide open. What is more common is that the lens or test has a focus error and the image improves while stopping down because the DOF is getting larger.)

With the 24-70 you might have a little more apt a comparison just because that's a lens somebody could reasonably use in place of the 50mm f/1.4.

My 24-70 is as very nearly as good as my 50/1.4 was.

My 70-200/2.8 IS II is better than either the 85/1.8 or 135L that I owned. It has less CA, better microcontrast and was more sure footed when focusing on tough movement in low light.

People who think zooms are a noticeable step down in IQ from primes are living in 1977.


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Jan 16, 2011 12:05 |  #7

JeffreyG,

There has already been a documented instance between the 24-70L vs. the 50mm f/1.4 prime as well as the 28-70 (old model).

The results are pretty darn close.

Take a look here >http://www.fredmiranda​.com/24-70/ (external link).


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Jan 16, 2011 12:50 |  #8

I like like and use primes for the main fact that they are fast and have a wide aperture.

I shoot at f/1.2 - f/2 90% of the time depending on the lens




  
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Jan 16, 2011 14:49 |  #9

I realized that I actually have two shots between the 35L and 24-70 that are remarkably similar and which were taken with cameras that have similar pixel densities.

Here are the two shots. One was taken with the 35L at f/5.6 and the other was taken with the 24-70 @43mm and f/3.2. In the next post I'll also put up the 1:1 views. A good zoom is very much comparable with even high end primes for a lot of things.


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Jan 16, 2011 14:51 |  #10

And here are the 1:1 views. I do not think the prime is sharper than the zoom even though the zoom is only 1/3 stop down from wide open while the prime is four stops down. Which is which?


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Jan 16, 2011 14:54 |  #11

Yep, the quality of today's zooms have definitely come a long way, especially some the available L's. My 70-200mm give my L primes a run for their money at the same FL and aperture as well.


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Jan 16, 2011 15:22 |  #12

Well, the 50/1.4 will beat out the 24-70 hands down at f1.4 and f2, every single time ;).

Also, you're comparing a $1300 zoom that's 5 inches long (sans hood) and weighs over 2 pounds with a $350 prime that's 2 inches long (w/o hood) and weighs 2/3 of a pound.

They both have their time and place. That's why I have and use both.


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Jan 16, 2011 16:39 |  #13

Price shouldn't come into the discussion, imo.

If something is better, it is better... the price, etc. doesn't change that fact.


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Jan 16, 2011 16:51 |  #14

amfoto1 wrote in post #11653410 (external link)
Well, the 50/1.4 will beat out the 24-70 hands down at f1.4 and f2, every single time ;).

Also, you're comparing a $1300 zoom that's 5 inches long (sans hood) and weighs over 2 pounds with a $350 prime that's 2 inches long (w/o hood) and weighs 2/3 of a pound.

They both have their time and place. That's why I have and use both.

For 1300.00 it should out-perform a prime costing 350.00. I suppose it does since it zooms! :)


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Jan 16, 2011 16:55 |  #15

davidc502 wrote in post #11653919 (external link)
For 1300.00 it should out-perform a prime costing 350.00. I suppose it does since it zooms! :)

Nope, it should not. Price doesn't have to be into the equation of testing one lens's sharpness.


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