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Some flash advice....

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Jan 19, 2011 08:06 |  #1

Flash - Can't make a decision....
Being my first flash I'm not too sure which features I'm going to need.* I do know that I will want wireless slave and a swivel head, I like the idea of having a catch-light (are these useful - if so it would rule out the Canon 430.* I'd rather have more options now then have to buy another flash later on.
In terms of budget I didn't want to spend 580EX money, so I was looking at models closer in price to the 430EX II, so I either stick with Canon or look at other makes with more options and power etc.
So it's out of the following:
Canon 430EX II - no catch light (is this an issue?)
Nissin Di866 - Like the idea of a colour screen, plus the controls look very simple.* What's the build quality like on these?
Metz 50 AF1
Metz 58 AF1 (the old model can be had very cheaply)
Sigma EF 610 DG Super - Sits right just over my budget, there seems to be little info or user reviews for this product, but I would consider it if it can justify the premium. Any links to reviews?
Or just hold out for a couple of months for a 580?

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Jan 21, 2011 12:22 |  #2

I'm sure some more knowledgeable advice will appear here, but I have a 500D and got it with a 430 EX. Fairly soon after I got a 580EX (on ebay so slightly cheaper than the shop). I think both are excellent and the ETTL is a wonder - exposure rarely out. The difference vast but the extra power is handy. I wanted it for the wireless control (of the 430)- but you already have that in your 7D. I's suggest you go for the 580 - older models are available on ebay and are apparently pretty good. You will probably upgrade later if you get the smaller flash.

What I really think is important is to buy a off camera cable and always use it! You can get these for £15 or less e.g. Yongnuo (make) from China on ebay and they have given me no trouble.

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Jan 21, 2011 12:25 |  #3

What do you mean by catchlight? A second light on the flash as a kicker? You can just put a little bit of white index card attached by rubber band and kick enough for catchlights. The 580 has one built in but its the same principal. Get the 430EXII and be happy.

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Jan 21, 2011 15:24 |  #4

I'll second that the 430 EX II is a great place to start. The ETTL is an 'enable, shoot and get good results' feature, for sure!


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Jan 21, 2011 18:22 |  #5

In this case less is less the 580 is the way to go when you can afford it there is just so much you can do with these flashes and Canon system can hold it's own.

Catch lites are the highlite in the eyes created by the light source they add dimension and are key to a nice portrait.

Good luck

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Jan 24, 2011 17:25 |  #6

I made the mistake of trying to save money by getting an entry level "compatible" flash. Found out too late about things like high speed sync and remote triggering, among other things, that it can't do. It can't even be used on a PC lead as it somehow uses a different pin for firing.

If you don't get one that can be a Master etc. you'll save a bit of money now but in a year you'll be wanting another flash, just like I do.

Cheers, Humbug

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Jan 24, 2011 17:35 |  #7

I also went down the 3rd party path but with the smaller less powerful Nissin Di622. It was OK, but nothing out of the box and I hardly used it. When I did I just wasn't all that happy with the results. I then bit the bullet and brought a new 580exII and now use it quite often. They are like chalk and cheese. As much as everybody says the cheap ones and smaller ones are OK, I personally reckon from my experience the 580 is worth the extra wait to save for.

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Jan 24, 2011 19:46 |  #8

I use a 430EXII all the time, I've got 2 of them, along with a 580EXII.
An index card and rubber band will handle the lack of integrated catch light card.
It's a great flash.

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Jan 25, 2011 04:59 |  #9

L.J.G. wrote in post #11706886 (external link)
I also went down the 3rd party path .

I also went down the 3rd party path but with a Yongnuo ETTL flash

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