Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Discussion Astronomy & Celestial 
Thread started 21 Jan 2011 (Friday) 19:27
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

Why are my moon edges jagged?

 
Kasrielle
Goldmember
Avatar
1,160 posts
Gallery: 88 photos
Likes: 147
Joined Jun 2008
Location: Peace Region BC, Canada
     
Jan 21, 2011 19:27 |  #1

I took some moon pics last night with my new 70-200 f4 IS and canon 1.4 extender. I usually use my sigma 80-400, and haven't noticed this problem. This is a 100% crop, straight out of camera (so don't worry about the overexposure, etc)

I used live view and remote trigger. I'm interested in why the lower edges of the moon look jagged.

IMAGE: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y216/mynameisxena/Kas%20Stuff/20110120010100percentcrop.jpg

ISO 400
f 10
exposure 250


www.photosbykas.com (external link)
my Flickr Page (external link)
500px.com/Kasrielle (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
kooimanj
Member
Avatar
223 posts
Joined Dec 2010
Location: Fort Atkinson, WI
     
Jan 21, 2011 19:36 |  #2

Did you use IS in this shot?


Canon 40D

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Kasrielle
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,160 posts
Gallery: 88 photos
Likes: 147
Joined Jun 2008
Location: Peace Region BC, Canada
     
Jan 21, 2011 19:41 |  #3

kooimanj wrote in post #11688597 (external link)
Did you use IS in this shot?

No - IS turned off, manual focus, tripod, etc...



www.photosbykas.com (external link)
my Flickr Page (external link)
500px.com/Kasrielle (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
kooimanj
Member
Avatar
223 posts
Joined Dec 2010
Location: Fort Atkinson, WI
     
Jan 21, 2011 19:44 |  #4

Hmmmmmm. Ihave had this issue with IS on but I am running out of answers. Maybe turn ISO down. I have been shooting at f/10 1/100 sec at ISO of 100


Canon 40D

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
kooimanj
Member
Avatar
223 posts
Joined Dec 2010
Location: Fort Atkinson, WI
     
Jan 21, 2011 19:46 |  #5


HOSTED PHOTO DISPLAY FAILED: ATTACH id 507343 does not exist. ]


Canon 40D

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Daship
Senior Member
765 posts
Joined Dec 2010
     
Jan 21, 2011 19:49 |  #6

It looks to me like IS was on.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Kasrielle
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,160 posts
Gallery: 88 photos
Likes: 147
Joined Jun 2008
Location: Peace Region BC, Canada
     
Jan 21, 2011 19:55 |  #7

Well, I'll try again and double check the IS, but I thought I turned it off when I switched to manual focus.



www.photosbykas.com (external link)
my Flickr Page (external link)
500px.com/Kasrielle (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
kooimanj
Member
Avatar
223 posts
Joined Dec 2010
Location: Fort Atkinson, WI
     
Jan 21, 2011 19:57 |  #8

Kasrielle wrote in post #11688685 (external link)
Well, I'll try again and double check the IS, but I thought I turned it off when I switched to manual focus.

Ive mad that mistake before.


Canon 40D

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Daship
Senior Member
765 posts
Joined Dec 2010
     
Jan 21, 2011 20:02 |  #9

Me to, several times.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
jimmy637
Member
Avatar
51 posts
Joined Oct 2009
Location: Ontario
     
Jan 21, 2011 20:07 as a reply to  @ Daship's post |  #10

Maybe the moon isn’t smooth?


T2i, 17-55, 24-105L, 70-200ISF4L, 400 f5.6L & a bunch of old MF lenses.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
kooimanj
Member
Avatar
223 posts
Joined Dec 2010
Location: Fort Atkinson, WI
     
Jan 21, 2011 20:08 |  #11

jimmy637 wrote in post #11688757 (external link)
Maybe the moon isn’t smooth?

Looks smooth enough to go 4 wheeling.


Canon 40D

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
EWhytsell
Hatchling
9 posts
Joined Jan 2011
     
Jan 21, 2011 20:59 |  #12

The moon isn't smooth, but what your seeing could be atmospheric distortion. Also its not focused exact and from the exif there's not really a reason to be stopped down to F/10 to shoot the moon, use F4 thru F8 and get your shutter speed up a little. I'd use a speed of something more like 1/500th to 1/1000th myself.

There are a couple of tricks to help reduce this effect and get a very clean shot of the moon.

First try to shoot it at its highest point in the sky, typically between 00:00 and 01:00 hours. Also helps to check your shooting location on www.cleardarksky.com (external link) to make sure your shooting on a night with excellent "transparency" and "seeing" conditions. Higher altitudes and being away from any bodies of water or large parking lots/towns will help reduce the effect of thermals.

Once the physical problems are reduced as much as possible the next step is to shoot several frames and then stack them using a free program called REGISTAX. Or I usually just do it manually in photoshop. Unless you shoot under perfect conditions each frame will have slight distortions, stacking the photos averages out these distortions and helps you get a nice, sharp image.

The same technique is used to photograph planets except most people use hundreds of frames for planets and just a few will work fine on the moon.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Kasrielle
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,160 posts
Gallery: 88 photos
Likes: 147
Joined Jun 2008
Location: Peace Region BC, Canada
     
Jan 21, 2011 21:14 |  #13

EWhytsell wrote in post #11689031 (external link)
The moon isn't smooth, but what your seeing could be atmospheric distortion. Also its not focused exact and from the exif there's not really a reason to be stopped down to F/10 to shoot the moon, use F4 thru F8 and get your shutter speed up a little. I'd use a speed of something more like 1/500th to 1/1000th myself.

There are a couple of tricks to help reduce this effect and get a very clean shot of the moon.

First try to shoot it at its highest point in the sky, typically between 00:00 and 01:00 hours. Also helps to check your shooting location on www.cleardarksky.com (external link) to make sure your shooting on a night with excellent "transparency" and "seeing" conditions. Higher altitudes and being away from any bodies of water or large parking lots/towns will help reduce the effect of thermals.

Once the physical problems are reduced as much as possible the next step is to shoot several frames and then stack them using a free program called REGISTAX. Or I usually just do it manually in photoshop. Unless you shoot under perfect conditions each frame will have slight distortions, stacking the photos averages out these distortions and helps you get a nice, sharp image.

The same technique is used to photograph planets except most people use hundreds of frames for planets and just a few will work fine on the moon.

Thanks for the tips. I've never used that fast a shutter speed - I'll try that. And I've also never tried stacking - I'll check it out.



www.photosbykas.com (external link)
my Flickr Page (external link)
500px.com/Kasrielle (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Kasrielle
THREAD ­ STARTER
Goldmember
Avatar
1,160 posts
Gallery: 88 photos
Likes: 147
Joined Jun 2008
Location: Peace Region BC, Canada
     
Jan 21, 2011 23:47 |  #14

Well, I just tried a couple more and I can literally see the atmospheric distortion with live view increased. These are shot at ISO 100, f8, f7.1, f5,6 and shutter speed at 500 or more. IS is off - I triple checked. I'll wait a couple more hours until it's higher and see if that reduces the distortion.

The focus on this lens is also lots more "touchy" than on my 80-400. The difference between in focus and not is teeny tiny, and very hard to find...



www.photosbykas.com (external link)
my Flickr Page (external link)
500px.com/Kasrielle (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
LowriderS10
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
10,170 posts
Likes: 12
Joined Mar 2008
Location: South Korea / Canada
     
Jan 22, 2011 03:47 |  #15

Do you have sharpening turned up in the camera? Oversharpening round shapes can often result in jagged edges...


-=Prints For Sale at PIXELS=- (external link)
-=Facebook=- (external link)
-=Flickr=- (external link)

-=Gear=-

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

7,245 views & 0 likes for this thread, 9 members have posted to it.
Why are my moon edges jagged?
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Discussion Astronomy & Celestial 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is semonsters
1468 guests, 133 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.