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"Real world" 5d2 vs 7d comparison

 
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Jan 29, 2011 14:34 |  #31
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As you can see, I own both cameras.

I believe the photos made for the comparison in this thread are not of an appropriate subject for comparison in general. Yes, I understand you shoot mostly landscape, so it works for you.
If the comparison was of the side of a brick building or some similar object, without as much weather to contend with, I believe one would see less of a difference in the image, especially with the lens (one of my favorite) shot with.

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If you specialize in shooting brick walls, then test the cameras on brick walls. I think testing the two exactly the way you intend on using the camera makes much more sense.

I've gone out shooting landscapes with both cameras on quite a few trips. The way I determine how each camera performs is printing large photos from each camera. From my experiment the result is the 7d does not come out of the bag for detailed landscapes.




  
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Jan 29, 2011 14:46 |  #32

I would like to see another set of samples once the sun comes out and provides a bit more contrast, but good test with limited light, Verse. Have you microadjusted the 200 prime on both bodies?

@Hogloff, I agree, and that is why in my review thread, I did multiple tests, both controlled indoors and then an outdoors band competition, showing differences. Others came in and showed their results, and I did a few more comparisons as well. The only way to know the strengths and weaknesses of the cameras and lenses you own is to run them through the same conditions to see which does what best.

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Jan 29, 2011 15:13 |  #33

It's been a while, but when I first got the 7D, I did some comparison shots as well. They're somewhere on the forum. My tests and comparisons centered more around high-ISO shooting and for that, the 5D2 is better.

Frankly, I don't think that these two cameras are that much different. Yes, you need to use a little more sharpening and NR with the 7D than with the 5D2, but the results are very good once you get the workflow down.


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Jan 29, 2011 15:38 |  #34

They really cannot be that different IQ-wise, if you only want to look at detail retention. I have had many different generations of cameras, and I haven't seen a big difference in detail retention itself really, other than the 5D classic, which seems to have a great optical sharpness, which could explain why it still holds a special place in many people's hearts. If you want to discuss tonality, contrast, color, etc. then yes. Also with a very low contrast, low light situation, it is really hard to make really good assessment of the two cameras.

For example the same 100% shot from 2 cameras at the same exact exposure settings, they really show virtually no difference. I could post 100% pixel views and you would see a tiny difference, but not really anything that would translate to print. Now if there was sun, and color, etc. the differences would stand out a bit more perhaps. The detail would still be about the same, I expect, but you would see other differences. I chose this scene, because it has a mix of brights, darks, a bit of color, dull areas and areas that should show detail.

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The image below is a 100% crop from a different set of shots using the L (just in case we are really seeing that cheap $250 f2.8 glass is the limiting factor). You should be able to tell a bit of which is which between the two at this point, but again, ff vs crop cameras don't seem to be so grossly different in retaining detail. Versedmb states that in post #20 as well, so we definitely agree there.

If you see major differences between the 5D2 and 7D using the same glass, there is something else afoot in my opinion. Either the 7D could be faulty (there are many that seemed to be sent in and came back better), or the lens needs adjusted to the body, or with the 7D density, you need to bump up the shutter speeds a bit more to stop motion more.

No post processing on any of these images, just resized, cropped, etc to fit POTN rules. And no, neither was taken with the S90... :lol: Also, no, neither was taken with the 7D, it has a new happy owner. The 1D4 is off to Canon, so this leaves the XTi and 5D2. :)


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Jan 29, 2011 20:27 |  #35

Is it just me or in the original first pictures the 7D seems to be backfocusing, some branches and twigs behind the tree are sharper than the bark of the tree itself, and definitely sharper that the same area in the 5DII. I know DoF has a lot to do with the difference between the images but I don't think it should be this much. (if you look at the twigs in the foreground, they are blurry in the 7D --> backfocus, and a lot sharper in the 5DII, and that's not because of the 100% pixel sharpness difference between the 2, but because of focus differences.)


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Jan 29, 2011 22:57 |  #36

Interesting, thanks for sharing


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Jan 30, 2011 01:18 |  #37

I think the issue with the 7D most people don't realize is it has a SUPER high pixel density so it needs more sharpening than any other Canon camera due to it's very strong anti aliasing filter.


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Jan 30, 2011 19:35 |  #38

I do agree with TeamSpeed,the differences in resolution are relatively small. The main difference is actually not resolution, its DOF for a given camera to subject distance and FL (FF vs 1.6X crop), which can be both a pro and a con depending on the situation.


I must say though, I'm really enjoying the 7d...taken this afternoon with the 100 f/2....

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