-=5D CLASSIC admirers, assemble! (5)

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Mookalafalas wrote in post #12000232
28m on a 5D is equal to 17mm on a crop, so it's still wide

I've just bought a Tamron 28-75 but haven't got it yet, but the reviews and reports I read suggested it'll be a pretty good lens.

But I don't understand the quoted passage. On a FF camera this lens will open up to a true 28mm, whilst on a crop it'll be equivalent to a FF 45mm. I think you have your fraction the wrong way round. It's NOT a very wide angle lens, and that was the main reason I pondered for a month before finally deciding to go for it.

Peter, for people coming from a crop camera, when they put it at 28mm on a 5D, for them, they get a field of view as if they had a 17mm lens on their crop camera. I think that's what Al meant

Hey guys, I received a PM about a member here who is in the process of either buying a 60D or a 5D. He wanted my advice, since I have both. Here was my answer, feel free to correct me or something if I missed anything


Hi Lee, your PM is very welcome. Having to choose between those two camera is really hard. The 60D is an awesome camera. Swivel screen is really great (at first I thought it was useless, but I find myself using it quite a lot). And it's gorgeous. The quality of the screen is awesome. Bright, vivid colors. The complete opposite of the 5D...

The 5D screen is almost useless. Dark, no quality and washed out. Everything on it looks ugly. When using it, I find like I'm going back to film days. I have to wait until I dump my pictures on the computer to see if they are good... I don't like shooting with the 5D for this reason. Because of that, I find myself reaching for my 60D 75% of the time.

But, the 5D picture quality is outstanding. Awesome DOF, great colors and everything else. But you get an outdated Digic 2 processor, an outdated AF, slow FPS, old menus, no video, CF cards (which is a disadvantage for some) and an ugly screen. Is it worth it?

For me, if I had to get one only, I'd pick the 60D. Better AF, wireless flash transmitter, awesome screen, 5.3 Fps, 18 megapixel (I love cropping a lot), better organized menus, the ability to use EF-S lens and a lot more. But I'm shooting of everything, including sports. I need to have a camera that performs well everywhere.

For someone doing portraits and landscape only, I think they'd benefit of the 5D. That lovely DOF a full frame gives you is always loved. It is also a nice camera, even if it's dated. It delivers awesome IQ and is worth the price they for now.

In any cases, I hope I helped. Let me know which one you chose

David.

Didn't want to clog up a thread with crappy pictures, but I am having an artifact(I think) issue with my used 5D. Does anyone know what might be causing this.

Link to new thread: https://photography-on-the.net …showthread.php?​p=12001786

Rivest wrote in post #12001606
Hey guys, I received a PM about a member here who is in the process of either buying a 60D or a 5D. He wanted my advice, since I have both. Here was my answer, feel free to correct me or something if I missed anything


Hi Lee, your PM is very welcome. Having to choose between those two camera is really hard. The 60D is an awesome camera. Swivel screen is really great (at first I thought it was useless, but I find myself using it quite a lot). And it's gorgeous. The quality of the screen is awesome. Bright, vivid colors. The complete opposite of the 5D...

The 5D screen is almost useless. Dark, no quality and washed out. Everything on it looks ugly. When using it, I find like I'm going back to film days. I have to wait until I dump my pictures on the computer to see if they are good... I don't like shooting with the 5D for this reason. Because of that, I find myself reaching for my 60D 75% of the time.

But, the 5D picture quality is outstanding. Awesome DOF, great colors and everything else. But you get an outdated Digic 2 processor, an outdated AF, slow FPS, old menus, no video, CF cards (which is a disadvantage for some) and an ugly screen. Is it worth it?

For me, if I had to get one only, I'd pick the 60D. Better AF, wireless flash transmitter, awesome screen, 5.3 Fps, 18 megapixel (I love cropping a lot), better organized menus, the ability to use EF-S lens and a lot more. But I'm shooting of everything, including sports. I need to have a camera that performs well everywhere.

For someone doing portraits and landscape only, I think they'd benefit of the 5D. That lovely DOF a full frame gives you is always loved. It is also a nice camera, even if it's dated. It delivers awesome IQ and is worth the price they for now.

In any cases, I hope I helped. Let me know which one you choosed

David.

a few quick thoughts:

1. oddly enough, i prefer the 5D screen over the 5Dmk2 screen. crazy? maybe. the thing is, the 5Dmk2 screen forces me to check my histogram so much more often than with the original 5D. as counter-intuitive as it sounds, i've come to realize that the 5Dmk2 screen boosts contrast that is unfaithful to the actual image. it makes for a more impressive screen to look at, but it's awful for the end result. since it makes the darks much darker, i often think that i'm exposing properly, because certain parts of a frame look like they're black. thinking that my exposure is well within the dynamic range of my camera, i think nothing of it.. until i load the images and realize that without the boosted contrast, my photos are sometimes overexposed since the haziness of having too much light was not evident at all on the rear screen.

i've never had this problem when shooting with my 5D's. so although the colors are way off, it's a low resolution, and photos aren't as impressive on site, i feel as though the 5D's screen was a better tool for making good photos than the 5Dmk2 screen. i of course learned to compensate for this and check the histogram more often, but i think it's better to have a washed out/low contrast image on your camera preview screen rather than when you upload the RAW files. just my personal experiences at least.

2. it's "chose!"

Rivest wrote in post #12001606
Hey guys, I received a PM about a member here who is in the process of either buying a 60D or a 5D. He wanted my advice, since I have both. Here was my answer, feel free to correct me or something if I missed anything


Hi Lee, your PM is very welcome. Having to choose between those two camera is really hard. The 60D is an awesome camera. Swivel screen is really great (at first I thought it was useless, but I find myself using it quite a lot). And it's gorgeous. The quality of the screen is awesome. Bright, vivid colors. The complete opposite of the 5D...

The 5D screen is almost useless. Dark, no quality and washed out. Everything on it looks ugly. When using it, I find like I'm going back to film days. I have to wait until I dump my pictures on the computer to see if they are good... I don't like shooting with the 5D for this reason. Because of that, I find myself reaching for my 60D 75% of the time.

But, the 5D picture quality is outstanding. Awesome DOF, great colors and everything else. But you get an outdated Digic 2 processor, an outdated AF, slow FPS, old menus, no video, CF cards (which is a disadvantage for some) and an ugly screen. Is it worth it?

For me, if I had to get one only, I'd pick the 60D. Better AF, wireless flash transmitter, awesome screen, 5.3 Fps, 18 megapixel (I love cropping a lot), better organized menus, the ability to use EF-S lens and a lot more. But I'm shooting of everything, including sports. I need to have a camera that performs well everywhere.

For someone doing portraits and landscape only, I think they'd benefit of the 5D. That lovely DOF a full frame gives you is always loved. It is also a nice camera, even if it's dated. It delivers awesome IQ and is worth the price they for now.

In any cases, I hope I helped. Let me know which one you choosed

David.

Honestly, if I'm looking at 7D pictures taken with latest processor(s) they are less pleasant to view compare to 5Dc. Few days ago it was one short thread here with exact details and correct words in English why it is so.

It is nice to have booth cameras. None expensive Crop like 60D for sports and video
and none expensive FF 5Dc for still pictures.
If I would have to choose, 5Dc for me because I'm more into family and landscapes photography.
It makes huge advantage for me also because of lenses. Nifty-fifty is superior, universal and sharp wide open lens on 5Dc, while for Crop you need to by much more expensive lenses for this range. For UWA none of them are cheap in price as well.
So if you want true 50mm and true wide lens on Crop it is much more expensive.
Price difference is go huge at those two ranges for crop compare to FF - you could afford 5Dc as second body just on price difference of two lenses.

About small screen on 5Dc. I was thinking to open separate thread on this.
Because it is half-myth for me. I could only agree about colors and contrast compare to 60D and latest Rebels. But those parameters are very adjustable at RAW in PP.
Even on those new cameras screens are useless for anything except live-view.
If I need to exam the picture on camera - 5Dc screen will show you if it is too dark or too bright. And it is good enough to provide info if you need to do adjustments.
But most important part if your object is in focus. And here it doesn't matter if screen is one inch or two. You need to zoom in no matter which screen size it is.
Small screen has big advantage - it is more difficult to scratch and broke it and much more easy to protect it. But I like 60D and new Rebel for it as well - you could turn the screen to the body and it is well protected then.

kf095 wrote in post #12001888
Honestly, if I'm looking at 7D pictures taken with latest processor(s) they are less pleasant to view compare to 5Dc. Few days ago it was one short thread here with exact details and correct words in English why it is so.

It is nice to have booth cameras. None expensive Crop like 60D for sports and video
and none expensive FF 5Dc for still pictures.
If I would have to choose, 5Dc for me because I'm more into family and landscapes photography.
It makes huge advantage for me also because of lenses. Nifty-fifty is superior, universal and sharp wide open lens on 5Dc, while for Crop you need to by much more expensive lenses for this range. For UWA none of them are cheap in price as well.
So if you want true 50mm and true wide lens on Crop it is much more expensive.
Price difference is go huge at those two ranges for crop compare to FF - you could afford 5Dc as second body just on price difference of two lenses.

About small screen on 5Dc. I was thinking to open separate thread on this.
Because it is half-myth for me. I could only agree about colors and contrast compare to 60D and latest Rebels. But those parameters are very adjustable at RAW in PP.
Even on those new cameras screens are useless for anything except live-view.
If I need to exam the picture on camera - 5Dc screen will show you if it is too dark or too bright. And it is good enough to provide info if you need to do adjustments.
But most important part if your object is in focus. And here it doesn't matter if screen is one inch or two. You need to zoom in no matter which screen size it is.
Small screen has big advantage - it is more difficult to scratch and broke it and much more easy to protect it. But I like 60D and new Rebel for it as well - you could turn the screen to the body and it is well protected then.

Exactly my thoughts. But as I'm shooting quite a lot of sports, and not only using the center point, the 5D isn't quite enough performant in the AF departement. I also need to check rapidly and easily if my last shots were in focus, without the need of zooming. The 60D does that really well.

For sports I think 60D or 7D would be the way to go. 5D can do sports if you're not too picky about the focus.

In terms of LCD screen, I haven't found it too much of a problem. I find myself don't really use the screen much anymore. If anything I kinda miss live-view, especially when the camera is on the tripod in some weird orientation...

I would like to nominate last two pictures from Brennan and White Fire for something like best self(distraction)portr​aits.
Excellent pictures!

Wow Conner, now you can hold and operate that camera with either hand.

Rivest wrote in post #12001918
...I also need to check rapidly and easily if my last shots were in focus, without the need of zooming. The 60D does that really well.

I checked 60D LCD
3.0 " TFT LCD
• 1040,000 dots

I checked 500D LCD
3.0 " TFT LCD
• 920,000 dots

Looks like identical by their size and close by resolution.

At my 500D if I look just at the full screen it is impossible to say if human eyelash
is completely in focus. I have to zoom in.
And it is very common portraits I do at both cameras- shallow DoF at wide aperture.

I am comparing it to the 5D, not the 500D