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tricky
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Apr 18, 2003 11:33 |  #1

New owner of a G3 and my greens (grass etc) are very green. I've tried a number of settings such as Auto, P etc. knocking the Effect down to neutral even vivid!

But alas Greens are terrible - coming from a nikon CP 990 I expected better - Any suggestions before I give up and return my G3 for another Nikon (30 day happy or not scheme!)

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trbrogan
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Apr 18, 2003 12:11 |  #2

I think your G3 greens look great. One of the first things I noticed with my G3 was brighter colors all around. You have a very high quility lens and excellent CCD on the G3 which really picks up the colors. You can use filters to filter down the color (try UV or skylight). It's easier to filter down bright colors, then to make dull colors on a camera brighter.




  
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MIckley
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Apr 21, 2003 01:30 |  #3

The picture looks a bit overexposed. From my experience, that is the reason for bad greens.

1. You may wanna try to play with exposure compensation.

2. If in manual mode set aperture value (or shutter speed) one step down from what you got now.

3. Or just pick a different area to focus at. It looks like your camera focused on that dark wall making the rest of the picture lighter than it should.

Good luck with it.




  
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kowen
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Apr 21, 2003 09:12 |  #4

They look realistic, natural to me. I've noticed that digital really brings out the "greens", in grass especially. I've also noticed that in some areas where I live (or anywhere else I suppose) the grass can look unnatural-so saturated with green, and it really shows on digital. I don't really care for the super saturated color look, especially that can come from greens in digital, but this is actually the way it looks in different scenery where I live. The dirt doesn't seem to have a blue color cast, something I look for-looks natural to me.

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NILOLIGIST
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Apr 21, 2003 12:11 |  #5

tricky,

Nice shot, that green looks really nice to me. It looks to me like it should. It has a nice tone. You could always try filters to enhance or tone down your colors too. There is always Photoshop to help too.

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MIckley
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Apr 21, 2003 21:42 |  #6

Ok have some more thoughts about your problem.
It seems to me, (despite the cloudy weather on the pic), that the sun is somewhere in front of a camera. This would be a difficuilt light conditions. You've mentioned that the modes were P and Auto, which means you let the camera decide what's the best, wich is not a good idea here. (besides Auto and P are not much different):)

For a beginning try to take the same picture when the sun is in a different position, just to see the difference.

Second you can get a better results using Tv and Av modes it requires some knowledge but generally it's not hard to figutre it out.

And third use exposure compensation (I've mentioned that already). After all it was made for such an occassion.

Finally try to switch light mettering mode to Center-Weighted Averaging. (read p.83 of your manual). That might help better than just switching shooting mode.

I've noticed that sometimes I have different greens on pictures taken seconds apart, but generally this problem is about exposure.
Camera just gets fooled around by difficuilt light conditions, so that's where your eperience as a photographer kicks in ;)

Hope that helps.

P.S Don't mean to be rude or disregard anyones opinion over here, just sharing my thoughts about the problem.




  
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12es
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Apr 21, 2003 22:46 |  #7

Em.......Please check out my GREENS and BLUES!!!!


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IchiNiSean
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Apr 22, 2003 01:06 |  #8

The human eye is most sensitive to green =P




  
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satnitefever
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Apr 22, 2003 03:41 |  #9

12es wrote:
Em.......Please check out my GREENS and BLUES!!!!


http://www.pbase.com/h​ike12/plover (external link)

Sorry to be off-topic..but is that high land reservoir (sai kung in hong kong?)


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12es
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Apr 22, 2003 08:45 |  #10

satnitefever wrote:
12es wrote:
Em.......Please check out my GREENS and BLUES!!!!


http://www.pbase.com/h​ike12/plover (external link)

Sorry to be off-topic..but is that high land reservoir (sai kung in hong kong?)


Its the Plover Cove Reservoir, NE N.T. if you are planning to go there, please take extreme precautions, a lot of peopel under estimate this trail, take plenty of water and a hat is useful for extreme conditions.

High Island Reservoir is on this gallery:

http://www.pbase.com/h​ike12/highisland (external link)

Also with plenty of GREENs and BLUES...


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tricky
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Apr 22, 2003 15:12 |  #11

Thanks for the suggestions - Waiting for another weekend to try them, when the light is a little better




  
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Apr 23, 2003 15:54 |  #12

Since many people seem to be saying that your greens look natural, I feel compelled to say that I agree with you :-) To me they look extremely over-saturated. It reminds me of the effect from cheap Kodak film on film cameras - I can always tell if someone shows me photos done on Kodak film (or even Kodak photo paper) since the colours are overblown. Some people seem to like it, however.

Having said that, I always use my G3 with either the neutral setting, or with contrast/saturation set to -1, and I've yet to see the problem. I usually shoot with an exposure compensation of -1 as well to avoid blown-out highlights in the sky or with the flash. At the default settings (when I first got the camera) I think I saw a similar effect to your pictures.


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BruceW
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Apr 26, 2003 22:07 |  #13

The following URL has a number of tools for image manipulation. Many are freeware. One of the tools is called "FilterSim", and allows you to apply standard Kodak filters to your digital file.

I tried a few on your photo. The change using a Skylight 1A was almost undetectable. The one that was most pleasing to my eyes was the result using the Kodak Wratten 81A. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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