With the t3i, what's the point of the 60D?!

Staszek wrote in post #11792522
I hope not. With the 5D and 7D targeted more towards professionals, I don't think they will give those swivel screens. Videographers--yes. Photographers--no. As an intern with AP, I have never seen the need (or had the time) to pull out and tilt the screen for a shot.

I agree to a certain point. If I were into photojournalism, sports photography, etc. and needed to be able to have my camera ready in less than the blink of an eye, I wouldn't want to have to bother with the articulating (woah! I used the proper term for a change) LCD. Professionals who are more interested in more artistic endeavors and routinely do things that would otherwise be, at the very least, difficult without said LCD might be more interested in having it.

As far as photojournalists go, though, it's easy enough to pull it out and then place it once at the beginning of the day and then leave it there all day. Those who get the urge could then pull it out at the very end of it all, spin it around, and then place with the LCD facing in again for protection, so it's not like having an articulating LCD on the more advanced models would be some huge inconvenience, because there is nothing that forces you to actually utilize it.

adivineeternity wrote in post #11792563
I agree to a certain point. If I were into photojournalism, sports photography, etc. and needed to be able to have my camera ready in less than the blink of an eye, I wouldn't want to have to bother with the articulating (woah! I used the proper term for a change) LCD. Professionals who are more interested in more artistic endeavors and routinely do things that would otherwise be, at the very least, difficult without said LCD might be more interested in having it.

As far as photojournalists go, though, it's easy enough to pull it out and then place it once at the beginning of the day and then leave it there all day. Those who get the urge could then pull it out at the very end of it all, spin it around, and then place with the LCD facing in again for protection, so it's not like having an articulating LCD on the more advanced models would be some huge inconvenience, because there is nothing that forces you to actually utilize it.

Valid point. But the way I see it is that it is just another thing to go wrong

Staszek wrote in post #11792578
Valid point. But the way I see it is that it is just another thing to go wrong

Very true. Murphy does like to do his part.

Having used a 550D for the last 6 months, I never had any problems....until this weekend.

A group of us here went on a fun tour shooting at a Thai temple. I rented a 24-105 f/4L IS to take with. Until now, the small size never bothered me, but adding some decent L glass made me really see just how small the body is. My hand was cramped up after 3-4 hours of shooting.

The second problem came on Sunday. I got lucky and was invited to shoot amateur models with a couple of amateur photographers. The erogonomics of trying to set AF points quickly, setting exposure lock quickly was limited by the 550D layout. I kept hitting the LiveView button instead of AE lock and had a harder time manually selecting AF points. 400 shots in a 3-4 hours time might not be much for some of you, but it was a bit taxing for me using a smaller body with less than perfect ergonomics.

IMHO, if you never plan on moving on from the kit lens and getting heavier L glass, a XXXD body will suffice. If you ever plan on getting bigger lenses and/or shooting in situations where you need to set multiple controls quickly, you are far better off with a XD or XXD body.

You can simply let the articulating screen sit on the back of the camera, like a fixed one, if you don't want to swivel it. Then you still have it, should you ever want it.

the improvements over the t2i seem very cosmetic, other than the built-in flash trigger. Are we thinking same IQ and same AF?

All of the newest released DSLRs end up looking more and more alike (both in looks and functionality).

The viewfinder in the Rebels is very limiting after you have snapped photos for a few months and realize that

1. It doesn't cover everything the lens/sensor 'sees'
2. It is nigh useless for using manual focus

Perhaps the T3i is an experiment to see what people will buy- T3i or 60D. Then they can either continue with the "super Rebel" in the 70D, or make it like the 50D was.

manfesto wrote in post #11792278
(and I'm guessing the next 7D and 5D are going to get the swivel screen too)

Im prepared to switch to Nikon if Canon puts the articulating screen into the 7D and 5D successors..

KhanhD wrote in post #11793144
Im prepared to switch to Nikon if Canon puts the articulating screen into the 7D and 5D successors..

Er, why?

apersson850 wrote in post #11792683
You can simply let the articulating screen sit on the back of the camera, like a fixed one, if you don't want to swivel it. Then you still have it, should you ever want it.

Besides, Nikon will be doing the same soon.

I can't understand this bias against an articulated screen. I can think of no logical argument against it and I suspect that it's mainly snobbery - as these screens are more commonly associated with P&S cameras.

I'm really looking forward to getting the 7D mkII with an articulating screen. At my age knees don't work as well as they used to and backs complain a lot more when asked to bend for those awkward shots.

hollis_f wrote in post #11793299
Er, why?

Besides, Nikon will be doing the same soon.

I can't understand this bias against an articulated screen. I can think of no logical argument against it and I suspect that it's mainly snobbery - as these screens are more commonly associated with P&S cameras.

I'm really looking forward to getting the 7D mkII with an articulating screen. At my age knees don't work as well as they used to and backs complain a lot more when asked to bend for those awkward shots.

+1, and if you don't like the screen, keep it in the locked position, simple. If Canon can weather-seal these (and they can, only 2 main seals to consider, 1 around the LCD bezel and 1 around the swivel/hinge area), then I don't know why there would be a concern, especially one that causes a person to jump to another brand. The only negative I can come up with is that we most likely lose the ability to replace the LCD plastic cover ourselves for $15 like in the past when it gets scratched.

KhanhD wrote in post #11793144
Im prepared to switch to Nikon if Canon puts the articulating screen into the 7D and 5D successors..

Everyone listen to the Drama Queen...

apersson850 wrote in post #11792683
You can simply let the articulating screen sit on the back of the camera, like a fixed one, if you don't want to swivel it. Then you still have it, should you ever want it.

Why is such a simple truth so elusive to so many.

I'm never getting another DSLR without a Pentaprism and two control dials, the cameras are just superficially alike when you look at the specs. Although there where more of a difference with the old xxD bodies and rebels.